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Clrnc I mean they're a bit more gung ho than we are but I don't think that's the real difference. Wait and see how Slot does playing like that next year without Salah. Arteta could do with loosening things sometimes but only sometimes. The way we play works for big games. We just need to exert more pressure on those low and mid block teams. I think this summers recruitment was a bigger issue than our play style.
Qwiss right, but everyone sitting on this forum today talking about Liverpool demolishing Spurs and using it as a stick to beat Arteta with is ignoring two things in my view.
1) we beat Crystal Palace 5-1 yesterday. It's the third time we've done this away from home in a month.
2) when Arteta took over, WE were the team getting beaten 5-1 by Liverpool, by City.
Arteta hasn't lost to City since April 2023, he hasn't lost to Liverpool in the league since before then, he hasn't lost to Chelsea since one of his first games here. Okay, we're still sketchy at Old Trafford for some reason, but we now go into big games and can look forward to them. Actually, we can look forward to all games with a degree of confidence.
What was that thread we used to have "Arsenal, ruining weekends since..."?
We've had three bad weekends this year. That's it. I want Arsenal to be better, I want us to go everywhere and dominate, but I can also see that Liverpool ruining Spurs weekends shouldn't be a stick to beat Arteta with.
Qwiss the key is they're getting serious output from both sides of their attack. We aren't.
I typed that without having seen the final score... 
RocktheCasbah but everyone sitting on this forum today talking about Liverpool demolishing Spurs and using it as a stick to beat Arteta with is ignoring two things in my view.
This is really not right. We are all discussing the merits of having Liverpool's kind of attack and wants the shackles to be released a little so we can improved. Most of the posts above has 0 mentioned of Arteta. Then people start getting defensive and views it as a stick to beat Arteta and whatnot. It isn't. You can think Arteta is the right man for the job and also think he isn't perfect.
We discuss about why our counters are not as effective and the first replies we get to that "we scored 5 goals yesterday within a calendar year blabla, you can't discuss that" etc lol.
Clrnc really?
Someone else must have said this, then.
Clrnc One thing for sure, we need more instinctive moves from the players. They are overly coached, very little one touch stuffs unlike Liverpool. We often take too many touches and roboting the moves.
That's also why our counters are terrible
What is calling our players "overly coached" if not a criticism of the coach?
Maybe read back what you said before you reply next time mate.
RocktheCasbah so you inferred that it was a criticism of Arteta based on that 3 words? So if I said our corners are excellent, means it praising Arteta? Never knew it was a one man coaching team.
Anyway I stand by what I said, it wasn't meant for what you are overreacting it to be. It was a simple observation but you do you I guess.
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Clrnc you're something else, truly. 
Who are you blaming for the team being "overly coached", if not Arteta?
Albert Air Pods, Carlos Cuesta, or Nico Jover? Come on, I think we should know...
For the record, I don't have a problem with you saying the team is overly coached, if that's what you think. I don't agree with you, but I'm sure we will continue to disagree, well, about most things Arsenal related and that's okay.
I do have a problem with you pretending you meant something else (and that I'm overreacting) when you said it.
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in the main, liverpool have pursued and executed a superior brand of attacking football to arsenal for the last 10 years. it's a hard and uncomfortable truth, which is why some of us sound wounded in this thread.
Gazza M This. I had posted something similar in another thread around Liverpool's ability to consistently bring in attacking talent over the last 15 years while we all wring our hands that no one is available - dating all the way back to Torres. Even when they were yo-yoing up and down the table under Rodgers, this was the case. It's perhaps why VVD and Allisson have been critical to their success since this was the area of the pitch most neglected historically.
Bernard Woolley I think we were an equal or better attacking force during the Torres years. we still had cesc-rvp then. it shifted from the suarez years onwards. they have hit greater attacking heights than us under 3 different managers now
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Gazza M in the main, liverpool have pursued and executed a superior brand of attacking football to arsenal for the last 10 years. it's a hard and uncomfortable truth, which is why some of us sound wounded in this thread.
Fact check: in the last two full league seasons, Arsenal has outscored Liverpool by 13 and 5 goals.
Claudius yeah but those kinds of stats don't always give you the full picture. For example our last 5 European away ties we've scored 5 goals which seems reasonable but by fixtures we actually failed to score in 4 games. So while the overall number looks okay it masks a pretty big issue. Failing to score in that amount of games more consistently gets you knocked out or is going to pretty significantly damage your title ambitions.
Liverpool are more exciting to watch, it's true. Then again, so are Tottenham.