RocktheCasbah it's not that short a time. Arteta celebrated 5 years in charge a few days ago. That's half a decade. No one's calling for his head but he's not beyond criticism either. The teams good now but we have fallen off a bit this season and we haven't won anything since the COVID season. Arteta took over a team that were 5th the season before and made it to a European final. It's not like we were where United are now. As much as things aren't so terrible they're not brilliant either. People just want us to take those steps to move us from nearly men to champions.
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Claudius It's part of the same dynamic. We play in a very plotted out, elaborate way that lets us dominate space and create overloads etc. Our players have become accustomed to intricate schemes and extreme attention to detail which manifests itself positively in things like set pieces. Against your typical team, we can be overwhelming and score 5-6 goals. But against a savvy coach who can set up an effective mid block (to stymie our possession play) or low block (to reduce space in the box), we can struggle to create chances from open play.
So the fact that we score so many goals overall doesn't matter. The issue is with consistency in creating good attacking chances, which you need to consistently win games. We're better than Liverpool in some ways, I'm not saying the grass is greener with them, but it's clear when you watch them how complicated we make things sometimes. We need to have a capacity for simplicity, creativity, directness, exploiting the superior quality of our players, a bit of Wenger energy to be honest.
Claudius As a fan base we are the ultimate grass is greener collective.
Interesting. If this is true it would seem that fans of teams that don't win trophies are somehow envious of the teams that do.
Basically if we maintain the level we’re at we’ll win the league within the next 5 years. We are still improving too.
I’d also say that in my book we are favourites for the Champions League along with Madrid.
You know Ange is disrespected when week in week out every manager says how much they admire him and the football he plays. He is just not taken seriously.
Also this part that Slot said made me laugh so bad. "I am not one to question Ange and the results he is having. Afterall normally every manager, even at smaller clubs have a chance to win something. But he is at a club that in their history is used to not winning anything, so he should not be judged on that."
Sky talking about Liverpools attacking options but really it's just Salah and Diaz. The rest of them have done fuck all. None of their other attackers have outscored Trossard for instance.
Clrnc I mean they're a bit more gung ho than we are but I don't think that's the real difference. Wait and see how Slot does playing like that next year without Salah. Arteta could do with loosening things sometimes but only sometimes. The way we play works for big games. We just need to exert more pressure on those low and mid block teams. I think this summers recruitment was a bigger issue than our play style.
Qwiss right, but everyone sitting on this forum today talking about Liverpool demolishing Spurs and using it as a stick to beat Arteta with is ignoring two things in my view.
1) we beat Crystal Palace 5-1 yesterday. It's the third time we've done this away from home in a month.
2) when Arteta took over, WE were the team getting beaten 5-1 by Liverpool, by City.
Arteta hasn't lost to City since April 2023, he hasn't lost to Liverpool in the league since before then, he hasn't lost to Chelsea since one of his first games here. Okay, we're still sketchy at Old Trafford for some reason, but we now go into big games and can look forward to them. Actually, we can look forward to all games with a degree of confidence.
What was that thread we used to have "Arsenal, ruining weekends since..."?
We've had three bad weekends this year. That's it. I want Arsenal to be better, I want us to go everywhere and dominate, but I can also see that Liverpool ruining Spurs weekends shouldn't be a stick to beat Arteta with.
Qwiss the key is they're getting serious output from both sides of their attack. We aren't.
I typed that without having seen the final score... 
RocktheCasbah but everyone sitting on this forum today talking about Liverpool demolishing Spurs and using it as a stick to beat Arteta with is ignoring two things in my view.
This is really not right. We are all discussing the merits of having Liverpool's kind of attack and wants the shackles to be released a little so we can improved. Most of the posts above has 0 mentioned of Arteta. Then people start getting defensive and views it as a stick to beat Arteta and whatnot. It isn't. You can think Arteta is the right man for the job and also think he isn't perfect.
We discuss about why our counters are not as effective and the first replies we get to that "we scored 5 goals yesterday within a calendar year blabla, you can't discuss that" etc lol.