RocktheCasbah but everyone sitting on this forum today talking about Liverpool demolishing Spurs and using it as a stick to beat Arteta with is ignoring two things in my view.

This is really not right. We are all discussing the merits of having Liverpool's kind of attack and wants the shackles to be released a little so we can improved. Most of the posts above has 0 mentioned of Arteta. Then people start getting defensive and views it as a stick to beat Arteta and whatnot. It isn't. You can think Arteta is the right man for the job and also think he isn't perfect.

We discuss about why our counters are not as effective and the first replies we get to that "we scored 5 goals yesterday within a calendar year blabla, you can't discuss that" etc lol.

Clrnc really?

Someone else must have said this, then.

Clrnc One thing for sure, we need more instinctive moves from the players. They are overly coached, very little one touch stuffs unlike Liverpool. We often take too many touches and roboting the moves.

That's also why our counters are terrible

What is calling our players "overly coached" if not a criticism of the coach?

Maybe read back what you said before you reply next time mate.

Clrnc

Come off it mate.

RocktheCasbah so you inferred that it was a criticism of Arteta based on that 3 words? So if I said our corners are excellent, means it praising Arteta? Never knew it was a one man coaching team.

Anyway I stand by what I said, it wasn't meant for what you are overreacting it to be. It was a simple observation but you do you I guess.

Qwiss the actual Ballon d’or had him outside the top 20 this year lol

And somehow Vinicius thought he was robbed

Gazza M This. I had posted something similar in another thread around Liverpool's ability to consistently bring in attacking talent over the last 15 years while we all wring our hands that no one is available - dating all the way back to Torres. Even when they were yo-yoing up and down the table under Rodgers, this was the case. It's perhaps why VVD and Allisson have been critical to their success since this was the area of the pitch most neglected historically.

Bernard Woolley I think we were an equal or better attacking force during the Torres years. we still had cesc-rvp then. it shifted from the suarez years onwards. they have hit greater attacking heights than us under 3 different managers now

Claudius yeah but those kinds of stats don't always give you the full picture. For example our last 5 European away ties we've scored 5 goals which seems reasonable but by fixtures we actually failed to score in 4 games. So while the overall number looks okay it masks a pretty big issue. Failing to score in that amount of games more consistently gets you knocked out or is going to pretty significantly damage your title ambitions.

Liverpool are more exciting to watch, it's true. Then again, so are Tottenham.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert well Diaz has 7 goals. Saka has 5 and Martinelli has 4, Trossard has 3. Meanwhile Salah has 15. That's the real difference.

It's amazing that we've actively pursued replicating the tactics of the team that has won the last 4 consecutive titles, but fans would rather we were more like the team that has only won one.

No, they would rather we were more like the team that has only won one than like the one who has won zero.

Claudius

Scored more consistently and in a league where the get 3 points for a win that's more important then beating a Sheffield United a ton in one match

Qwiss fair enough. I thought Saka had more than that