It doesn't really matter what I think of Trump, the American people have elected him on his policies. Whether they are rational or not is sometimes down to your point of view. Whereas for example his Gaza views are quite clearly irrational whereas some of his other policies are completely logical.
I do not like this current Labour government at all but when they do the right things I will say so. I get the impression some people find that difficult with Trump.
JazzG
Going back to plastic straws is a small thing compared to the Gaza nonsense, but it is objectively awful.
It is true that my fellow citizens elected him, by a small but decisive margin.
It is also true that he is wrong about everything. Everything. There is not a single thing he is right about.
JazzG No doubt Jess Phillips has done a lot for womens safety while working for Women's Aid but when she got into power and could have made a real change for those affected by grooming gangs after being asked to do so by a council she does what most politicians before her did, fobs off the issue. The abuse towards her is clearly wrong but she needs to be called out for her actions. It is also quite clear why these full inquiry is not being done as well.
But this is the point I was raising, Musk is the one who attacked her saying she was a witch. (With all the baggage that comes with that) And saying she was complicit in abuse given her history and Musk's I think there is only one person who has a proven record of being invested in women's safety issues. Do you therefore condemn musk and accept he's abusing these issues not because he cares about safety and women's issues (his record of action would say otherwise) but that he wants to attack people he ideologically opposes including women? And presumably if you accept that you can see why people don't believe a president who talked about grabbing women has any intention to protect women right?
QuincyAbeyie okay, so I don't agree with this.
How are trans women, women?
What is a woman? Is it an idea? A feeling?
flobaba I'm not sure how to answer the question. In my experience,, people who say "Trans women aren't women", like you, actually just mean "trans women who don't wear enough makeup or haven't enough physical procedures to look like a conventional woman, aren't women".
Edit: Lol indeed. Was drunk and forgot the term cis woman.
Lol, it was a simple question. How is a "trans"- woman a woman? I mean, a man doesn't become a woman just because he puts on a bunch of make up or /and have some surgical procedures, and dresses up in women's clothes... Or what am I missing here?
And lol at "conventional" woman.
You aren't missing anything.
flobaba You are not missing anything, a trans woman is not a woman. And to make things even worse some think that anyone who says otherwise is a bigot or transphobe.
RowJimmy It is also true that he is wrong about everything. Everything. There is not a single thing he is right about.
Don't think this personally but that attitude is why Trump is the president. I've got family in America who voted for Biden last time and this time switched to Trump and they don't even like Trump but could not stand what the Democrats have become. Your view there seems to be held by the Democrat party as well.
Fetterman gets it.
JazzG it’s hard to absorb any of this when the alternative is to be led by
I could give this stuff credibility if the chosen one was a saint. Not this cretin.
Claudius Which why I've said before this wasn't even a difficult election for the Democrats to win. They decided to go with someone who was senile in Biden and when he was forced to drop out they decided to go with Kamala...
Some of those charges bought against him were seen to be politically motivated by the electorate, I don't really know as I haven't followed the cases in that detail but some of the stuff coming out by the AGs did seem like they were out to get him. Some of those involved on the Jan 6 all got last minute pardons on the way out from Biden, that imo only adds credibility to the view that the charges have a political element to them.
Here in the UK the vibe shift is real as well, this coming from someone says JK Rowling is wrong and that a woman can have a penis. Rosie Duffield was ostracized by the Labour party for supporting JK Rowling and her views.
JazzG You are not missing anything, a trans woman is not a woman. And to make things even worse some think that anyone who says otherwise is a bigot or transphobe.
Ever been friends with anyone before and after they transitioned with hormone therapy and surgery?
Burnwinter so you determine who is on “the right side” and only then do you engage in good faith or even consider an opinion that is contrary to yours? I guess that’s very admirable. I personally have trouble telling right from wrong infallibly on every single moral and political issue in the world, but I am glad there are people out there who don’t.
Gurgen so you determine who is on “the right side”
Don't come the raw prawn as they say.
We've exchanged views for years. Many times you've agreed and disagreed with me without a hint of nuance. Most times you express yourself with perfect confidence you're "on the right side". And that's normal. You've got a problem with me doing it? Physician, heal thyself.
Burnwinter think you guys all know I used to be involved with the Daily Cannon website.
My one contribution, such as it is, to this debate is Lee - the guy who runs the site - used to be an angry Irish lesbian called Leanne. Having realised he was actually a man in a woman's body, he transitioned around 10-12 years ago. Once he transitioned, everyone accepted him for who he now was, an angry trans man. I don't see why this should be any different the other way round.
RocktheCasbah I've had three friends transition over the last twenty years or so ... three fairly complicated people, two women and one man. Today, they are all happier and more fulfilled than once they were, leading imperfect lives like the rest of us.
Just three anecdotes, but it induces vertigo to think of these cases while reading anti-trans preoccupations about bathroom intrusions and elite sports.
That stuff is just not at all in the picture for these people. I'm talking about an art gallery curator, software developer and a rural high school teacher, neither upsetting anyone nor infringing anyone's rights.
When you observe someone transition you see that "biological sex" is very far from static, binary and immutable. Tip different hormones into an adult body and, subject to many limits of course, that body's expression plastically changes.
That's nothing simple, but it's likely to keep on going because of hormones becoming a commodity. In the words of the recently deceased David Lynch, "fix your hearts or die".
If you want a real, proper social problem to worry about, may I recommend crystal meth addiction and psychosis. I'd be perfectly happy to man the barricades with a few wingnuts if it would keep that shit away from my communities.
