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And yet we saw Leno and Ramsdale with many of the variables controlled because they were in the same team playing the same way, and Ramsdale, at just 22, was clearly the better of the two.

It's very hard to judge GK's stats because it is affected by so many things and the shot analysis stat is so subjective. Ederson's stats are absolutely horrible relative to his peers, yet many call him world class. I'm not his biggest fan myself (though he's obviously at the very least a good GK), but he's not helped by the fact that he plays in a team that is so dominant. He faces fewer shots, so the sample size is smaller - every mistake does more to lower the save percentage than it does for other GKs - and imo he more often faces counter-attack situations that are harder to stop, rather than shots from a position that favours the goalkeeper.

We were also very dominant last season, and I think the same was true of Ramsdale (even if his stats were much better than Ederson's and stand up very well against everyone else). I'm also not surprised Leno does well at a club like Fulham. That's his food and drink because he's a good shot-stopper and he's facing a ton of shots.

    RocktheCasbah Interesting, I don't know too much about Raya but if that is the case then he shouldn't be the one replacing him.

    I'm wondering if the club thinks it can get a good deal due to 12 months on his contract and him being a Homegrown player.

        Even Alisson, probably the best keeper in the league for the last few years, makes a good number of mistakes. It's easy to think your own keeper is worse because you see every single one of them and miss many of every other team's mistakes.

        Here's a comparison between Raya and Alisson to show the comparisons aren't worth very much at all:

        https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/?compare=pRaHvE6rXLF47Y5jhCVxS

          JazzG I mean, I'm usually the first one to say "trust the talent ID" and I also know my Brentford mates think quite highly of him, but I just don't think we'd be signing someone here who's going to walk in and transform the way we look at our goalkeepers. And for the money Brentford are likely to want, even with only a year left on his deal for an incremental improvement (if you believe it's an improvement at all), this deal doesn't make much sense to me.

          Put it this way, 33 years ago Bob Wilson told George Graham he had to go and get Dave Seaman, because he was "the best". He wouldn't be saying that about David Raya.

            Ricky1985

            The number of mistakes isn't meaningful in itself, because it doesn't tell you whether the rest of the saves make up for them so that the net is that he saves more goals than he 'should'. In Alisson's case, he's in the clear by a lot. Ramsdale isn't.

              Recon Mikel wants an improvement with distribution. Ramsdale started off very well on that front last season but seemed to lose it

              I wouldn't have said GK was a problem position for us at the start of the summer. Ramsdale's form can be streaky but he's got an incredibly high ceiling. Equally I can't imagine David Raya coming here to sit on the bench just as he's broken into the Spanish NT so I find this transfer odd. Best guess is that Arteta probably thinks Ramsdale needs constant pressure to deliver and Turner isn't going to provide that.

              Just healthy competition for places in my opinion. Let’s be honest, we’d be shitting it if Ramsdale got injured. Potentially season ending - because Ramsdale is so important to our style of play. Talk about mistakes are a red herring, this is absolutely about continuity and ability on the ball.

              Keepers usually don’t get rotated because there’s a big gap in quality. Otherwise I don’t see why not. In theory there’s 60 odd games a season potentially, you could conservatively play a second choice for 25 games.

              It’s also worth remembering when considering competition for places that the CL is being expanded next season. We will be playing twice a week - in major competitions.

                goon Let’s be honest, we’d be shitting it if Ramsdale got injured.

                Probably my hottest Arsenal take is that I don't really think Ramsdale is the best goalkeeper at Arsenal as it is.

                    DiabyKungFu I don't disagree in that sense because Turner as a shot stopper is superior. Don't recall him letting us down when he played for us too

                      Ricky1985 It's a wonder that Nottingham Forest are going to sign him...

                      Sounds like Turner would be at Brighton right now if we moved on a goalkeeper earlier.

                        Didn't realise his long pass is that good

                        keeping ramsdale honest isn't a bad thing. as with the havertz signing, it will come down to how minutes and mentalities are managed by arteta.

                        goon not sure I understand your comment.

                        I’m the guy who flagged Saka’s potential like mad when he was in the youth teams.

                        I’ve correctly flagged Nelson’s step up in levels.

                        And am buzzing for Bitello