Even Alisson, probably the best keeper in the league for the last few years, makes a good number of mistakes. It's easy to think your own keeper is worse because you see every single one of them and miss many of every other team's mistakes.

Here's a comparison between Raya and Alisson to show the comparisons aren't worth very much at all:

https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/?compare=pRaHvE6rXLF47Y5jhCVxS

    JazzG I mean, I'm usually the first one to say "trust the talent ID" and I also know my Brentford mates think quite highly of him, but I just don't think we'd be signing someone here who's going to walk in and transform the way we look at our goalkeepers. And for the money Brentford are likely to want, even with only a year left on his deal for an incremental improvement (if you believe it's an improvement at all), this deal doesn't make much sense to me.

    Put it this way, 33 years ago Bob Wilson told George Graham he had to go and get Dave Seaman, because he was "the best". He wouldn't be saying that about David Raya.

      Ricky1985

      The number of mistakes isn't meaningful in itself, because it doesn't tell you whether the rest of the saves make up for them so that the net is that he saves more goals than he 'should'. In Alisson's case, he's in the clear by a lot. Ramsdale isn't.

        Recon Mikel wants an improvement with distribution. Ramsdale started off very well on that front last season but seemed to lose it

        I wouldn't have said GK was a problem position for us at the start of the summer. Ramsdale's form can be streaky but he's got an incredibly high ceiling. Equally I can't imagine David Raya coming here to sit on the bench just as he's broken into the Spanish NT so I find this transfer odd. Best guess is that Arteta probably thinks Ramsdale needs constant pressure to deliver and Turner isn't going to provide that.

        Just healthy competition for places in my opinion. Let’s be honest, we’d be shitting it if Ramsdale got injured. Potentially season ending - because Ramsdale is so important to our style of play. Talk about mistakes are a red herring, this is absolutely about continuity and ability on the ball.

        Keepers usually don’t get rotated because there’s a big gap in quality. Otherwise I don’t see why not. In theory there’s 60 odd games a season potentially, you could conservatively play a second choice for 25 games.

        It’s also worth remembering when considering competition for places that the CL is being expanded next season. We will be playing twice a week - in major competitions.

          goon Let’s be honest, we’d be shitting it if Ramsdale got injured.

          Probably my hottest Arsenal take is that I don't really think Ramsdale is the best goalkeeper at Arsenal as it is.

              DiabyKungFu I don't disagree in that sense because Turner as a shot stopper is superior. Don't recall him letting us down when he played for us too

                Ricky1985 It's a wonder that Nottingham Forest are going to sign him...

                Sounds like Turner would be at Brighton right now if we moved on a goalkeeper earlier.

                  Didn't realise his long pass is that good

                  keeping ramsdale honest isn't a bad thing. as with the havertz signing, it will come down to how minutes and mentalities are managed by arteta.

                  goon not sure I understand your comment.

                  I’m the guy who flagged Saka’s potential like mad when he was in the youth teams.

                  I’ve correctly flagged Nelson’s step up in levels.

                  And am buzzing for Bitello

                    40m with a year left is a piss take tbh. Had a much better season than Ramsdale but was plenty dodgy in the past before this year

                    If we're not getting a clear upgrade like Maignan might as well keep Ramsdale and hope he comes good, his highs are better than anything I've seen from Raya. Latters also a midget to boot

                      He's about the same height as Casillas right?

                        Don't know loads myself about Raya but mentioned before I have worries about Ramsdale, just too many errors and big moments where he couldn't deliver. Not to say he can't improve but it was becoming a little too much. Some competition would definitely be better and I don't know if complacency was the cause but he's not really been able to progress so much last year.