Ricky1985 Saliba and Gabriel is certainly undroppable. Arteta has never dropped them.

Just curious that you think Ramsdale is absolutely top class and one of the best out there but feel he's not one of Arteta's guaranteed starter?

Clrnc
Raamdale has been one Arteta's guaranteed starters to this point, but if he signs Raya then he'll have a fight on his hands because Raya is very good and also well suited to the style of football we try to play.

I think Ramsdale is the better goalkeeper, and will go onto become one of the very best goalkeepers around as soon as next season, but having two quality, hand-picked options vying for the position is what elite clubs should do.

It's also a good opportunity to take advantage of with Raya only having 12 months left on his contract, and Nottingham Forest perhaps being willing to offer us decent money for Turner. I can't imagine Raya would ask for crazy money, he's a good age, could become a top class keeper, years of PL experience, and we could perhaps get him for a net £15-20m. It's a no brainer.

I'm sure Arteta would do the same at right wing with Saka if a similar opportunity was there.

He's certainly a much better shot-stopper than Ramsdale, only bettered by Leno and Alisson.

Emi hasn't been more than decent in the last couple of years, no reason going back for him now (even in the WC he was underwhelming other than PKs and that one huge save - there aren't that many shootouts while playing for your club).

Ricky1985 Brentford reportedly refused to barge from their 40m pound valuation of Raya which is why Spuds were to sign the Italian goalie after their approaches got rebuffed.

Meatwad and if we aren't careful our identity will be that of bottlers.

This likely won't mean Raya either arrives at Arsenal, or that he displaces Ramsdale. But it's a stick to instill a bit of holy fear, not just in Ramsdale, but any player who imagines last season's fade is acceptable.

The members of our squad receive loyalty and encouragement at the moment, we need this flip side.

Ramsdale is solid. Would be extremely difficult to find a gk that would improve the team significantly.

I love this rumor. We're looking for excellent competition in a position we're already strong. Now do the same for right wing and center forward. This shows we mean business. It also gives me hope we're going to do the same for other light positions. Opportunistic signings

Imagine Rams gets injured or slumps or anything, you got a top top player to come in without a drop in quality or vice versa. This should be the case across the whole team.

Clrnc

Everyone in the PL is very rich. United are paying a fortune for a 20 year old kid with basically no pedigree. Aston Villa spend like it's going out of fashion - they all do!

Having quality players competing with each other is what you've got to do if you want to be the best. And, whether it becomes reality or not, that is very much what Arteta and the guys running Arsenal are trying to do.

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Extremely favourable for Raya

Clrnc That would mean we have 2 of the best goalkeeping duo in the entire world. Not even Bayern, Barca, Madrid etc has a 2nd choice as good as Raya.

On the other hand, we won't have a first choice close to as good as theirs.

i don't like short keepers, but raya isn't being signed to back ramsdale up. sometimes it's like ramsdale isn't even there when people shoot at him. WTF man.

JazzG I think he makes too many mistakes for a top keeper

I think I've mentioned before, two of my besties are Brentford fans and I've seen quite a bit of Raya. Your statement absolutely applies to him too, he conceded an absolute howler at Wembley which cost Brentford promotion the season before they came up (and that was by no means the only blot in the copybook).

I know this isn't your argument, but the notion we'd be replacing Rammers with Raya and eradicating all the brain farts is just inaccurate.

Pepe LeFrits What does saves (GK only) mean? Are there outfield players making saves these days?

Clrnc

And yet we saw Leno and Ramsdale with many of the variables controlled because they were in the same team playing the same way, and Ramsdale, at just 22, was clearly the better of the two.

It's very hard to judge GK's stats because it is affected by so many things and the shot analysis stat is so subjective. Ederson's stats are absolutely horrible relative to his peers, yet many call him world class. I'm not his biggest fan myself (though he's obviously at the very least a good GK), but he's not helped by the fact that he plays in a team that is so dominant. He faces fewer shots, so the sample size is smaller - every mistake does more to lower the save percentage than it does for other GKs - and imo he more often faces counter-attack situations that are harder to stop, rather than shots from a position that favours the goalkeeper.

We were also very dominant last season, and I think the same was true of Ramsdale (even if his stats were much better than Ederson's and stand up very well against everyone else). I'm also not surprised Leno does well at a club like Fulham. That's his food and drink because he's a good shot-stopper and he's facing a ton of shots.