FEBravo yeah, felt the same thing at the time. That being Liverpool were set up for success when Klopp came in. We weren't when Wenger, so Klopp may have struggled to make things work.

      Don Pacifico Spot on. People think it is just down to the manager to turn the club around. Our recent success has been spearheaded by Arteta but people like Edu and others behind the scene have played a massive role behind our turnaround. Many of Wenger's failures were down to having a broken relationship with the likes of Gazidis, maybe we would have done a lot better if we had replaced Dein with someone who worked better with Wenger.

      Just like Liverpool's success isn't just down to Klopp, Michael Edwards played a massive role in turning that club around with Klopp.

          JazzG Klopp would have brought in people to change the whole structure like he did at Dortmund and Liverpool. The whole club would have rallied around him, he is those type of character.

              Clrnc I'm not so sure how much he could have changed. During that time there was a power struggle between Kroenke & Usmanov and it felt like the Kroenkes were more than happy to let things get bad in order to force Usmanov out.

                we didn't need a cash infusion back then, we needed wenger to spend the damn money (and on actually good players). klopp definitely would have won similar things with arsenal if we had put arsene out to pasture.

                the kroenke's had to put in money recently because of covid and no champions league revenue. once we get back on track financially normal service will resume.

                Clrnc Suffering from FFP and now you spend a good chunk of your budget paying a manager and his entire backroom staff off.

                The bit that's hard to believe is how much they've pissed off their young stars with this move. Palmer, Jackson etc are basically all they've got as a club.

                  Pepe LeFrits Chelsea are remarkably consistent. They haven't had a manager last longer than 2 years since Mourinho left in 2007. Most don't even stay a year.

                  It's in their DNA now

                    Tuchel to United mooted ... the dream. We'd get to enjoy ten Hag eating shit again in public before probably moving on to a better run club within weeks, then a period of improved results prior to a guaranteed multi-party dummy spit.

                    https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/may/23/lucas-paqueta-charged-fa-betting-rules-west-ham-yellow-cards

                    Paquetá denies wrongdoing and any knowledge of the suspicious bets, which have been traced to Paquetá Island, off the coast of Rio de Janiero.

                    If he didn't want to get caught, he might have avoided having his partners make their bets from an island named after him. 😆

                    That's actually good news for us, he looked headed for City and would have helped them out a lot.

                      CPM that means they can go for whatever CM we want instead.

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                          CPM Terrible news for West Ham, bet that wiped the smile off Lopetegui's face and made Moyes' furlough piña coladas taste a little sweeter … instead of raking in £50m+ they'll be chaperoning a Tonali-style situation for a season or something.

                          In my mind's eye "Paquetá Island" is a place a bit like Tortuga from PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, but with a gigantic boardwalk sports bar where all Paquetá's deadbeat Brazilian pirate mates sit around getting trashed and placing bets on his disciplinary issues. 😆

                            Southampton promoted to PL

                            I think we're better equipped now to smash them at their place rather than succumb to a limp loss.

                            I know it’s their 4th consecutive league title but that’s still a travesty.

                              Didn't realise Manchester had gone back into lockdown.....