RocktheCasbah I think all fair points and particularly in the champions League and Europe Arteta has really struggled in those competitions. To be fair Arsenal have underachieved generally in these but his managerial machine like approach which has done well in the league does not seem to have crossed over to the more tactical battles of European football. Porto, Bayern, Atalanta and inter away we've failed to score and really not looked very threatening so that's something more then a bad day and seems to be more about our approach to these games. Maybe against better opposition that marginal game strategy can come unstuck a little too easily.
Official: Mikel Arteta is the new Arsenal manager.
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Sicario2 - Tier 1 Who would I replace him with? How about the guy that beat him on Wed night
Go on then. Yes or no, you'd replace Arteta with Inzaghi in the following situations:
- Now
- Last summer
- Next summer (if we don't win the league or Champions League)
Burnwinter would look at guys like Xavi, Motta, Michel etc before him. Options exist as long as we continue to build the playing personnel properly.
Claudius I'm surprised anyone would even consider replacing him at this moment. We'd have to drop off a lot further this season with evidence of dressing room issues for me to think of it.
Beyond that if KSE is not lining up a new coach and structure and plan and spending, all this "he has to deliver" stuff is just posturing. Arteta always has to deliver. I've been anxious about us closing out a title with this playing group since at least 22–23. It's pretty tragic we've only come close twice, but it's Arteta who gets the credit for us getting so close.
Burnwinter I’m an Arteta truther but after Wenger I also know the dangers of holding on too long if someone fucks around. So those are just managers I’m aware of in the event that Arteta fucks around. He best find out
The kind of thing that would change my mind swiftly on this would be if Ødegaard or Saka had a public dispute with Arteta.
For me we’d have to drop out of contention for two seasons, or if we saw disputes as Burnsy states, or if we start losing players like when guys like Cesc and RvP jumped ship.
Burnwinter if we drop him now we're back to square one. I have my criticisms of Artefacts a, he has his blind spots but calling to change manager now is just nonsense.
Qwiss you know how I compare transfers. Can only discuss Solanke and Toney from this list as they made actual moves. Toney is earning £500,000 a week, so let’s end that discussion with immediate effect.
I think Solanke is better than this version of Jesus, but then you enter the zone of would I rather have a 6/10 player like Solanke in the hand or the money available to go after some of the other targets folks have mentioned in case they become available, like an Isak, Williams, Gyokeres etc.
Qwiss If you're gonna bang on ominously about "Arteta has to deliver" you've gotta have your "or else" ready otherwise you're just shit-talking.
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Claudius Can only discuss Solanke and Toney from this list as they made actual moves.
This is such an arbitrary thing to say. And it's wrong. Players move when they are signed. Claiming they could be signed only when they've already been signed is a total fallacy.
If Solanke stayed, then he couldn't have been signed? But because he was signed, he retroactively could have been signed? It's nonsensical!
Qwiss Are we back to this nonsense? There were half a dozen players who either moved or could have been moved that would have been reasonable or better signings.
We don't need a reasonable signing up top, we need someone to lift our level or a shit hot prospect. We tried for Sesko and couldn't get that deal done. The only strikers imo who were clearly better than Havertz that moved this window were Mbappe and Osimhen on loan.
Anyway our problem isn't to do with our striker, our problem is not signing a top class wide player but most importantly not signing a top class CM who can control the game. I think Merino will play a role for us but he is more backup than starter imo. I think Odegaard's injury has also exposed that we are short there and we let ESR go and Vieira go on loan.
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we have this moment of panic every season under arteta. it's like clockwork. so far he's responded each time to rally the team and put together spells of good form. I suspect it will happen again. but its starting to feel like this is our lot with him. its become rote that the wheels come off for 20% of the season, then we have good-to-very-good form for the rest of the season.
suffocated between a raised floor and a fixed ceiling
Gazza M that's the point though we don't seem to cut this kind of run out, seems to follow a pattern and relies on near perfect run to get us back in it which we've managed but it's always a massive ask. You could easily drop a few more points and you're well off the pace and there is no way right now at look like a team that won't drop more points.
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The point is that when you discuss players who moved, you know for a fact that they were available so it makes the discussion about us signing them more realistic.
If you include players who didn't move, you don't know the availability of the player nor their desire to leave, so the discussion about us signing them becomes way more speculative.
For the record I don’t want Arteta out, hell I like Arteta but I just want some damn accountability. It’s a results based business. Results = trophies.
End of the season if we don’t win a trophy he comes under the spotlight.
I would even take finishing 2nd and winning the Carabo Cup because at least that is tangible progress and gets the monkey off our backs.
Guys, I just hate being nearly men, really pisses me off. Don’t want to be a glorified Spurs which is my biggest fear.