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Official: Mikel Arteta is the new Arsenal manager.

Burnwinter

The kind of thing that would change my mind swiftly on this would be if Ødegaard or Saka had a public dispute with Arteta.

lorddulaarsenal

For me we’d have to drop out of contention for two seasons, or if we saw disputes as Burnsy states, or if we start losing players like when guys like Cesc and RvP jumped ship.

Qwiss

Claudius Gyokres, Osimhen, Solanke, Toney, Isak, etc We need 2 strikers. How do they compare to Jesus?

Claudius

Qwiss you know how I compare transfers. Can only discuss Solanke and Toney from this list as they made actual moves. Toney is earning £500,000 a week, so let’s end that discussion with immediate effect.

I think Solanke is better than this version of Jesus, but then you enter the zone of would I rather have a 6/10 player like Solanke in the hand or the money available to go after some of the other targets folks have mentioned in case they become available, like an Isak, Williams, Gyokeres etc.

Qwiss

Burnwinter if we drop him now we're back to square one. I have my criticisms of Artefacts a, he has his blind spots but calling to change manager now is just nonsense.

Burnwinter

Qwiss If you're gonna bang on ominously about "Arteta has to deliver" you've gotta have your "or else" ready otherwise you're just shit-talking.

Coombs

Claudius Can only discuss Solanke and Toney from this list as they made actual moves.

This is such an arbitrary thing to say. And it's wrong. Players move when they are signed. Claiming they could be signed only when they've already been signed is a total fallacy.

If Solanke stayed, then he couldn't have been signed? But because he was signed, he retroactively could have been signed? It's nonsensical!

daredevil

Coombs

The point is that when you discuss players who moved, you know for a fact that they were available so it makes the discussion about us signing them more realistic.

If you include players who didn't move, you don't know the availability of the player nor their desire to leave, so the discussion about us signing them becomes way more speculative.

JazzG

Qwiss Are we back to this nonsense? There were half a dozen players who either moved or could have been moved that would have been reasonable or better signings.

We don't need a reasonable signing up top, we need someone to lift our level or a shit hot prospect. We tried for Sesko and couldn't get that deal done. The only strikers imo who were clearly better than Havertz that moved this window were Mbappe and Osimhen on loan.

Anyway our problem isn't to do with our striker, our problem is not signing a top class wide player but most importantly not signing a top class CM who can control the game. I think Merino will play a role for us but he is more backup than starter imo. I think Odegaard's injury has also exposed that we are short there and we let ESR go and Vieira go on loan.

daredevil

JazzG

Exactly, people don't want strikers for strikers sake, people want Champions Leagues and Premier League titles. If we don't land a striker who leads us to titles, people will turn on him as quickly as they can say his name. We've been here before between 2012 and 2018 under Wenger under a different manager and regime, the idea that the club, or any club for that matter, wouldn't want a top class striker is as dumb as it is to type out. In 20 years, we've managed to land one top class striker in Aubameyang and that should tell anyone how difficult it is and that's in an ever shrinking market. There are some options out there, I really like the look of Duran but people really want a striker who will score 20-25 league goals in the season and another Welbeck won't cut it.

Gazza M

we have this moment of panic every season under arteta. it's like clockwork. so far he's responded each time to rally the team and put together spells of good form. I suspect it will happen again. but its starting to feel like this is our lot with him. its become rote that the wheels come off for 20% of the season, then we have good-to-very-good form for the rest of the season.

suffocated between a raised floor and a fixed ceiling

awooga83

Gazza M that's the point though we don't seem to cut this kind of run out, seems to follow a pattern and relies on near perfect run to get us back in it which we've managed but it's always a massive ask. You could easily drop a few more points and you're well off the pace and there is no way right now at look like a team that won't drop more points.

Claudius

daredevil exactly, otherwise I should drag Edu for not signing Raphinha who has been linked with us a few times and is now the top performing forward in Europe. And I can arbitrarily add any other name I wish to beat down on those guys.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Burnwinter

For the record I don’t want Arteta out, hell I like Arteta but I just want some damn accountability. It’s a results based business. Results = trophies.

End of the season if we don’t win a trophy he comes under the spotlight.

I would even take finishing 2nd and winning the Carabo Cup because at least that is tangible progress and gets the monkey off our backs.

Guys, I just hate being nearly men, really pisses me off. Don’t want to be a glorified Spurs which is my biggest fear.

Coombs

Claudius the job is to sign players, not to evaluate players other clubs have signed. Your criteria don't make sense.

Every player can be signed. If they say no, then you've failed to sign them. The magnitude of that failure is debatable, but it's not just something we have to accept without criticism.

Burnwinter

It's a bit weak we didn't sign a dangerous forward in summer, but we went in pretty hard for Sesko, and we likely enquired about others. Olise is the achievable great signing we actually missed out on I reckon—but we would've had to beat Bayern to the punch. Gyokeres scoring one goal from open play against City doesn't at all mean he'd tear it up in England.

Rest of our signings were absolutely fine, even excellent, but we've lacked a settled selection through the midfield this season as well as missing arguably our best player. Kinda like City have had Rodri and Stones out and they've just lost four in a row ...

Clrnc

Burnwinter Gyokeres has a stellar championship goalscoring record. Those normally transfer to the top league. It's proven.

But the topic is not about specific player, but rather the lame excuse that there's nobody to sign.

If we want someone we will get him. We just chose to prioritise areas we thought were more important as usual.

daredevil

Clrnc

A less than 1-in-2 record in the Championship is not a stellar record.

Claudius

Clrnc Gyokeres has a stellar championship goalscoring record. Those normally transfer to the top league. It's proven.

Akpom, Ivan Toney, Pukki, Mitrovic, Vydra, Grabban, Wood, Gray, Murphy. Top scorers in Championship for past decade. How long exactly does it take for this record to transfer to the top league? Cos only guy whose game I recognise is Toney.

Burnwinter

City have the world's best striker and have four losses in a row in all competitions. 🤷‍♂️

Clrnc

Claudius I will add in those names you intentionally left out.

Akpom have had a very decent scoring rate for Ajax despite being played on the wings after the championship season. You missed out Carlton Morris who have a decent record in the PL as well after being promoted.

Toney is proven, Solanke is proven, Pukki have 22 goals in 60 apps for bloody Norwich in PL. Mbeumo is proven, Watkins is proven, Mitrovic has 15 goals in 28 starts, Abraham scored 27 goals for Roma the season after being top scorer in championship. We all know about Chris Wood and his super season for Forest, Andre Gray 10 goals in 36 apps for Watford in PL, Deeney has double digits goals scored in every season bar 1 for Watford in PL. We all know about Vardy.

This is beside the fact that after they got promoted, they are playing for struggling sides that barely scores any and yet they score most % of their team goals before some got relegated again. It's proven that most of the strikers who scored plenty in the 2nd tier translate their goals when they get promoted or if they get sold elsewhere in other leagues. Not to mention Gyokeres has been scoring goals for fun for Sweden, Sporting (2 seasons running) and in UCL. He has every chance to be successful anywhere else than being an outright flop.

Clrnc

daredevil Again, this is false. We could and should have signed Suarez or Higuain. It was all down to Wenger's penny pinching that we missed out on them.

For Wenger's fault, he has always tried to sign a striker to improve on Giroud. Be it Suarez, Higuain, Benzema, Vardy. Let alone the ton of attacking mids he signed. His weakness is opposite, he doesn't sign enough defenders.

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