• JazzG

  • Post #4891

QuincyAbeyie Agreed, the mandalorian which was a great series has spun off two series and it feels like content is just being made for the sake of it rather than quality story telling. As a star wars fan Obi Wan series looked really appealing and apart from a few great moments it was largely average. Same for another iconic character in Boba Fett. Ahsoka to be fair wasn't too bad, Ray Stevenson was superb and sad he passed away.

Agreed about Indiana Jones, I haven't even watched the last one and have heard it isn't great, most will watch it for nostalgia and seeing Harrison Ford which is sad because he deserves better.

Gazza M don't how why she was still around after the sequel trilogy turned out to be a critical and commercial flop

So bad, the story was all over the place and on top they butchered Luke Skywalker, the Mandalorian showed what fans we could see with Luke and instead we got this depressed version of him! Force Awakens wasn't too bad but the second was just terrible.

banduan Casino Royale is probably the best bond movie of all time.

It was a great movie but hard to explain this but it didn't feel like a Bond movie if that makes sense. It felt more like a fusion of James Bond and Bourne Identity! That is fine and maybe they needed to change with the times but I grew up watching Roger Moore & Sean Connery so those newer films have a much more gritty and darker feel to them.

          JazzG wasnt Timothy Dalton already darker and grittier? I think the critique back then was the series had lost its fun element, and then they rebounded hard with Pierce Brosnan.
          Other thing I liked about Casino Royale was the supporting cast - Eva Green, Mads Mikklesen and Judi Dench were all great.

              • Qwiss

              • Post #4893

              JazzG It was a great movie but hard to explain this but it didn't feel like a Bond movie if that makes sense. It felt more like a fusion of James Bond and Bourne Identity!

              Exactly. Its a Bond movie for people who didn't like Bond movies.

                JazzG It was a great movie but hard to explain this but it didn't feel like a Bond movie if that makes sense.

                It's good because the premise is "What if James Bond is actually so emotionally dispassionate because ... he's traumatised?" And that's a one off Bond origin story that ends the possibility of Bond as pulp entertainment.

                I dunno if "contemporary Bond" really works. Bond embedded in today's screenwriting is Don Draper, and has to be relatively rich with interiority. Either that or you play it as period pulp reenvisioned as satire, and that doesn't last long before it gets very boring.

                  Womanizer Bond doesn't work anymore. But in terms of a spy/action movie with ridiculous gadgets etc. it could still work. Something like Kingsman (the first one, only the first one) without the over the top R-rated violence.

                    • JazzG

                    • Post #4896

                    Claudius wasnt Timothy Dalton already darker and grittier? I think the critique back then was the series had lost its fun element, and then they rebounded hard with Pierce Brosnan.

                    It has been so long since I've seen a Dalton movie I can't even remember! My friend who passed away was a big James Bond fan and said Dalton was underrated as Bond and did a great job. He also hated the idea of Henry Cavill becoming Bond and when Jeff Bezos asked who the next Bond should be many put forward Henry Cavill.

                        QuincyAbeyie Sorry Quincy, but I really despised that film. Sexless English public school pornography, Matthew Vaughn doing Guy Ritchie. Speaking of which I think MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E. was better than it, though still bad.

                        QuincyAbeyie Womanizer Bond doesn't work anymore.

                        The womanisation is not quite the issue, it's more subtle. The character can no longer be portrayed without a certain "he's psychologically tough enough to love 'em and leave 'em" shock factor built in.

                        The successes of feminism have generated a heteromasculine ressentiment that makes this almost unavoidable. Today even when gender conservatives make deliberately revanchist, sexist films or novels, they make some form of concession to the problem just by celebrating "Look, we've got our misogynistic James Bond back" or similar. This creates a butthurt "crying wojak" vibe to these works that means they never fully satisfy the originary resentful manbaby urge.

                        Of course, the manbabies say they enjoy the works, but ultimately, no one wants to remember them. No one thinks the Snyder cut is any good.

                        It's a cultural variation of the second law of thermodynamics—we all know that women are politically equal to men now, whether we like it or not.

                        An animated Bond (ARCHER played straight), or Bond done as the video of a pop song, or a ballet could overcome this perhaps, that gets around the problems of the media with forced habits of richer psychological depiction.

                        So my suggestion to these people, if they really "want Bond back" would be: get Austin Butler to learn a public school boy accent, change the character's name to James Man, and film the whole thing as an action ballet in the Stahelski style, interspersed with Brechtian monologues derived from some fascist substack, and 8½ WEEKS style simulated sex scenes with currently leading OnlyFans girls. Unfortunately, Bezos will never approve such a vision.

                              • MistaT

                              • Post #4898

                              I’ve been waiting a loooong time to say this….

                              Where the hell do you pull all this from Burnsy?

                                • Daz

                                • Post #4899

                                MistaT more to the point, where do you find the fucking time man!😆

                                    • Gazza M

                                    • Post #4900
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                                    MistaT when chatgpt is prompted for 'bombastic, eye-popping prose' it's scraping 90% burnsy content

                                      You guys are late to the party accusing me of being a human who sounds like an LLM, I get that all the time. I accept it. It's a bit of a shame the bottom's really fallen out of the market for talking absolute shit lately.

                                      Anyway, I think we all privately agree an animated, pornographic, epic theatre influenced, ultraviolent Wick-style action ballet James Bond ripoff called JAMES MAN with occasional fourth-wall-breaking monologues that sound like they're excerpted from Andrew Tate content—and to be clear, all played perfectly straight with no jokes or laughs—would be way, way better than whatever Amazon is going do with the "property".

                                        • Qwiss

                                        • Post #4905

                                        QuincyAbeyie Womanizer Bond doesn't work anymore.

                                        Are we slut shaming men now? Be more sex positive Quincy.

                                        JazzG He also hated the idea of Henry Cavill becoming Bond and when Jeff Bezos asked who the next Bond should be many put forward Henry Cavill.

                                        I like Cavill but he'd be a terrible Bond.

                                            • Qwiss

                                            • Post #4906

                                            Burnwinter You guys are late to the party accusing me of being a human who sounds like an LLM, I get that all the time. I accept it. It's a bit of a shame the bottom's really fallen out of the market for talking absolute shit lately.

                                            Grow up, grow, grow, grow.

                                                Qwiss Oh, good shout. I related to him, as a matter of fact ... I've been accused by others of using too many long words since I was a pretty small kid.

                                                  22 days later

                                                  My God, how embarrassingly shit was the SEVERANCE finale.

                                                  • Daz replied to this.

                                                    Daz I thought it was OK too, but it seems to be quite polarising.