JazzG It was a great movie but hard to explain this but it didn't feel like a Bond movie if that makes sense. It felt more like a fusion of James Bond and Bourne Identity!

Exactly. Its a Bond movie for people who didn't like Bond movies.

JazzG It was a great movie but hard to explain this but it didn't feel like a Bond movie if that makes sense.

It's good because the premise is "What if James Bond is actually so emotionally dispassionate because ... he's traumatised?" And that's a one off Bond origin story that ends the possibility of Bond as pulp entertainment.

I dunno if "contemporary Bond" really works. Bond embedded in today's screenwriting is Don Draper, and has to be relatively rich with interiority. Either that or you play it as period pulp reenvisioned as satire, and that doesn't last long before it gets very boring.

Womanizer Bond doesn't work anymore. But in terms of a spy/action movie with ridiculous gadgets etc. it could still work. Something like Kingsman (the first one, only the first one) without the over the top R-rated violence.

    Claudius wasnt Timothy Dalton already darker and grittier? I think the critique back then was the series had lost its fun element, and then they rebounded hard with Pierce Brosnan.

    It has been so long since I've seen a Dalton movie I can't even remember! My friend who passed away was a big James Bond fan and said Dalton was underrated as Bond and did a great job. He also hated the idea of Henry Cavill becoming Bond and when Jeff Bezos asked who the next Bond should be many put forward Henry Cavill.

      QuincyAbeyie Sorry Quincy, but I really despised that film. Sexless English public school pornography, Matthew Vaughn doing Guy Ritchie. Speaking of which I think MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E. was better than it, though still bad.

      QuincyAbeyie Womanizer Bond doesn't work anymore.

      The womanisation is not quite the issue, it's more subtle. The character can no longer be portrayed without a certain "he's psychologically tough enough to love 'em and leave 'em" shock factor built in.

      The successes of feminism have generated a heteromasculine ressentiment that makes this almost unavoidable. Today even when gender conservatives make deliberately revanchist, sexist films or novels, they make some form of concession to the problem just by celebrating "Look, we've got our misogynistic James Bond back" or similar. This creates a butthurt "crying wojak" vibe to these works that means they never fully satisfy the originary resentful manbaby urge.

      Of course, the manbabies say they enjoy the works, but ultimately, no one wants to remember them. No one thinks the Snyder cut is any good.

      It's a cultural variation of the second law of thermodynamics—we all know that women are politically equal to men now, whether we like it or not.

      An animated Bond (ARCHER played straight), or Bond done as the video of a pop song, or a ballet could overcome this perhaps, that gets around the problems of the media with forced habits of richer psychological depiction.

      So my suggestion to these people, if they really "want Bond back" would be: get Austin Butler to learn a public school boy accent, change the character's name to James Man, and film the whole thing as an action ballet in the Stahelski style, interspersed with Brechtian monologues derived from some fascist substack, and 8½ WEEKS style simulated sex scenes with currently leading OnlyFans girls. Unfortunately, Bezos will never approve such a vision.

        I’ve been waiting a loooong time to say this….

        Where the hell do you pull all this from Burnsy?

          MistaT more to the point, where do you find the fucking time man!😆

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            MistaT when chatgpt is prompted for 'bombastic, eye-popping prose' it's scraping 90% burnsy content

            You guys are late to the party accusing me of being a human who sounds like an LLM, I get that all the time. I accept it. It's a bit of a shame the bottom's really fallen out of the market for talking absolute shit lately.

            Anyway, I think we all privately agree an animated, pornographic, epic theatre influenced, ultraviolent Wick-style action ballet James Bond ripoff called JAMES MAN with occasional fourth-wall-breaking monologues that sound like they're excerpted from Andrew Tate content—and to be clear, all played perfectly straight with no jokes or laughs—would be way, way better than whatever Amazon is going do with the "property".

              QuincyAbeyie Womanizer Bond doesn't work anymore.

              Are we slut shaming men now? Be more sex positive Quincy.

              JazzG He also hated the idea of Henry Cavill becoming Bond and when Jeff Bezos asked who the next Bond should be many put forward Henry Cavill.

              I like Cavill but he'd be a terrible Bond.

              Burnwinter You guys are late to the party accusing me of being a human who sounds like an LLM, I get that all the time. I accept it. It's a bit of a shame the bottom's really fallen out of the market for talking absolute shit lately.

              Grow up, grow, grow, grow.

                Qwiss Oh, good shout. I related to him, as a matter of fact ... I've been accused by others of using too many long words since I was a pretty small kid.

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                My God, how embarrassingly shit was the SEVERANCE finale.

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                  Daz I thought it was OK too, but it seems to be quite polarising.

                  I think around two or three episodes into this season, I was finding the main arc pretty padded, contrived and grating. The loss of conceptual momentum is felt in the decreased verisimilitude and increasing number of non sequitur and surreal moments. I don't find the Keir cult of Lumon compelling as a block of the overall rote world-building, and the majority of the antagonists are entirely uninteresting pantomime villains.

                  The show can't decide if it's a Kafka short or a self-consistent dystopia exploring salient social questions. But it certainly knows it's a big hit, so the resolution of a few seemingly very urgent plot developments, such as it turning out that Cobell invented the severance technology, is already held back for future padded seasons.

                  Innie Mark choosing Hellie R over restoring his outie self to Gemma should've been a good season ender, even if I think it's a misuse of the show's entire premise to narrow focus onto the main character's schizo romances. But the closing "Windmills of Your Mind" montage struck me as the showrunners admitting they'd cornered themselves with material they don't know how to land dramatically.

                  The sequence critics are all fawning over where Mark spoke to himself via camcorder was also poorly written and executed, for mine. And the Mervyn Peake stylings of the giants' battle between Drummond and goat lady was visually striking, but only contributed to the incrementally self-weakening preposterousness of the whole.

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                  Just putting this there because the spoilers dont work when seeing the preview of the last post on the main page