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Arteta - one more year and that’s it

Pepe LeFrits

JazzG Then take into account we'll probably sell Kiwior, Zinchenko, Trossard. I think those three should raise us around £40m-£50m? If we say £40m that would make our net spend around £170m. Obviously getting so many deals done will be challenging but it is doable and it would improve us massively

That'd leave us hugely exposed. Ethan would continue to be covering two positions; an injury to Ode and he'd have to play every game, and if you have a further injury to one of the wingers, then the remaining two would have to play every game. Unless the plan is to play Nelson or Vieira.

At the back we'd be even thinner: after the first choice back 4, we'd have Calafiori and White to cover 4(!) defensive positions between the pair of them.

JazzG

Pepe LeFrits I'm just giving an example of what can be done, Not saying this is the window we should have. If we sign a wide player he can cover both wings, Ethan would only cover Odegaard. In defence we would need another defender.

Forgot about Vieira and Nelson, sell them and buy more players!

MistaT

Part of the reason I'm open to voting "yes" (one more year) is that I think Arteta's great work is largely behind him. He properly righted the ship in a way that many "post icon managers" couldn't. Fair credit to him for succeeding where the likes of Emery, Ole, Moyes, etc. couldn't.

That said, that floor has been raised (due to Arteta) and the standards reset. I don't see this squad dropping when he leaves, but perhaps actually rising up to a new voice/approach.

The system is solid enough to get us to the dance, but we're clearly missing something. It's my belief that our top end talent is actually being held back by Arteta.

Saka should be freed up to rival Salah for G/A contributions.
Martinelli should be narrower/higher and encouraged to become a 2nd CF, rather than an ineffective wide man.
Odegaard needs runners ahead to feed, not a horseshoe of static/delayed attacking patterns to maintain.
Rice needs a capable CM partner so he can rampage, not be shoehorned into an attacking role not suited for him.

I'd happily sign a more offensive minded manager who can maintain standards. In my mind, that is someone more like Zidane (not necessarily him) rather than a Conte.

samthegooner

I'd love to live in the dream world everyone appears to be in with thinking there are better managers that will come in and maintain Arteta's standards tactically and defensively while miraculously bringing in an attacking mindset. I don't think there is another manager out there who would've managed this Arsenal hospital squad to a semi-finals finish personally. Going to need to take a break from the online discourse if this Arteta-out agenda grows because I could not be further from it personally.

Sicario2

samthegooner so you are ok with going 5 years without a trophy? Are you ok if we have the same identical season next year to keep him in the job?

Basically it comes down to accountability and maintaining standards.

Claudius

samthegooner I feel much the same. Everyone is justified to have their opinion. We aren't part of the Borg. but i find it hard to be super critical given our circumstances and comparisons to our main competitors.

HomeSteak

Sicario2

HomeSteak this is shocking

Qwiss

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert January was the first time there was a bit of a schism between him and those above him. Probably down to Edu not being there. Hopefully Berta is ready to make his mark this summer. We definitely need a different approach in the market to the last 2-3 windows.

HomeSteak I don't really see the point in putting the league cup along side the Champions League. Its just stupid content that doesn't tell us anything real.

Sicario2 His record in the business end of the season is not great either. Please stop excusing him.

What was our league run in last season? Was pretty good from what I remember. Our issues last season were much earlier. This is another false narrative that gets bandied around on social media.

QuincyAbeyie

Sicario2 being OK with it actually doesn't have anything to do with it. The only relevant question is whether you think the chances of success increase or decrease by changing the manager.

It's possible to not be OK with another trophyless season and still think that if we fire Arteta, things won't be better.

samthegooner

Sicario2 Of course I want to win titles. But I've lived through the Wenger banter years and the god awful Emery years where the squad was absolutely impotent compared to our rivals. Now we haven't lost to any of them in the last couple of league seasons and are constantly in the running for top honors. The grass is not always greener and I have yet to see another manager that consistently impresses me as much as Arteta does. We need to do more in terms of recruitment - everyone knows it and Arteta has been outright begging for it. I have strong doubts that anyone else could have put together the second half of the season that he did without falling completely apart due to our injuries. Hell - we saw what Pep did with similar injuries this year and he's regarded as the best.

The players also LOVE Arteta - Saka said it as recently as last week. Get rid of him and you definitely run the risk of pushing away some of our best players. But most of all, I believe in Arteta. This is his first manager job and he's knocked it out of the park while also learning on the fly. Can he get better? Of course. But I don't think there are more than 2-3 clubs in the world who wouldn't take him if he became available tomorrow.

Don Pacifico

Sicario2 it's frankly meaningless. Losing in the EFL semis is not the same as losing in the CL semis.

One of the big problems with modern day football punditry is the lazy use of data to find trends to prove something; when you scratch beneath the service, they often mean very little.

Sicario2

QuincyAbeyie if I offered you Inzaghi this summer, would you take him or say ‘no, let’s give Mikel another season?’

Sicario2

Don Pacifico aside from semi -finals, his record in Europe is not great. His record in the business end of the season is not great either. Please stop excusing him.

What about semi final v Newcastle when he played our best team (x 2)? Did he not want to win that?

Kel Varnsen

Arteta is tactically superb and a pretty good evaluator of talent, but he is also too risk averse and rigid. I think we are defensively extremely strong, but our attack is too predictable. If Arteta can get us playing better attacking football next season, and keep the defensive structure, he should stay. If not, he needs to go.

QuincyAbeyie

Sicario2 I'd probably say yes, but it could just as likely be a cultural clash that doesn't work.

However, that's not the point. I'm not sure we would get a better or even good manager if we let Arteta go. You're creating a new scenario here.

lorddulaarsenal

Best man for the job.

I’m looking forward to entering phase 5.

Don Pacifico

Sicario2 I haven't excused him, I critiqued the use of junk data to make some kind of a point. Took Wenger almost a decade to get us to a CL SF...do you remember how dismal we were in the competition? And this is Arteta's first job. Other than Wenger, no other manager has ever got us this far.

I don't claim he's perfect but you dismiss what he's done like it's nothing.

And re: Newcastle SF, obviously he wanted to win it but I'm not going to draw too many conclusions from that tie (or any other small, low quality sample of data).

Doc

We are not far off, we just need to sign some real quality in attack and maintain the level in other areas... Arteta has pretty much everything else down from a defense / structure / mentality perspective but he needs to prove that he can bring in the players in attack that can take us there.. and continue to improve his squad management.

Wenger was the same but the opposite he could coach an outstanding attacking team but the defense was always suspect, the way he solved when we were actually good is that was he signed (and inherited) quality defenders.

Bring in that quality upfront and most of the conversations around our rigidness goes away and will stop him overthinking what to do in attack which results in stupid shit like those long throw ins.

Sicario2

Doc do you not fear Artera is in danger of being a ‘nearly man’? We nearly won the league, we nearly won the CL, we nearly challenged for the title, we nearly did this and nearly did that?

The more we go trophyless the harder it will be to win as the pressure goes up that’s why I’m ok with just an FA Cup next year as it’s a start and stops the rot. No one can say we are bottlers or next season FC. And it’s a big weight off our shoulders.

The guys that are happy with going 6 years without a trophy underestimate how bad that reflects on a big club. We need to win. We must win. No matter what next season.

I would love to win the league next year but right now I’ll sign 2nd and an FA Cup and trust me our 2026/2027 will be much better as a result.

What will he damaging is if we are out of the title race and things look problematic in the CL before the winter. Then you haven’t seen pressure, the fans will turn. We must get the summer right and we must start very strong with a point to prove.

samthegooner

I saw someone opine today that Arteta always refers to Rice as a pillar (may be spacing on the exact term) that we signed and one to push the team on and he has been that in midfield but we need that same type of signing in the attack. Hopefully we invest properly this summer and give him the tools he needs for next year. The trophies will come if that happens.

RocktheCasbah

samthegooner I was saying exactly that to a mate earlier this afternoon. If we can do it (I hate to think what happens if we don't), it should be a game changer for us.

Qwiss

Sicario2 do you not fear Artera is in danger of being a ‘nearly man’?

Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

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