USArsenal it wasn't to you tbh, more so the people talking shit about him. Have whatever opinion you want about him, but he cares about the club and gave us everything he had while he was here.

    Tam I also think it has to do with the player Saka. Henry has obviously taken him under his wing, and is protective of him, hence questioning the prevalence of (hamstring) injuries in the side, and our defense oriented or enhancing style of play (work rate required across the forward line, everyone bursting an artery to get behind the ball to keep shape).

    If we want to continue like this (high work rate demanded from forward players) we need a bigger squad. With quality players to spell Saka and Kai. Can't afford to bring in the likes of Sterling anymore, as I think his presence and the lack of trust Arteta has justifiably shown in him has contributed to our overuse of Saka/Kai/Martinelli. Gabriel Jesus was just a freak accident from what I consider a really dumb tackle attempt.

      I used to be overly bothered by the treatment of Reyes, but it's also a myopic talking point that neglects to mention how much Henry did to lift other players. The standards he demonstrated personally and in turn set for the team led to an array of players hitting highs they never would have without Henry.

      Too much time is spent questioning how he interacted with Reyes while neglecting his role on improving other players and the squad.

      It's interesting, obviously I loved Thierry's time with us but I've never felt connected to him in the way I have certain players who came before and some who have come after. I just find him a little cold, a little aloof (arguably, that is of course what made him great). Though I obviously revelled in having him at the club for the time we had him..

      I suspect though, in Thierry's criticism, there is a desire for exactly the same thing as what Arteta wants and that is an Arsenal team, recruited, trained and playing to the highest possible standards week in week out.. It's just that he's in a pundit's chair and Arteta in the manager's. I think the pair of them would spend hours talking football with each other given the chance, they're both football nerds (I mean this as the highest compliment).

      Thierry can say and do whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned. He's earned that right and then some. That is all. Goodnight.

        I appreciate both as men, but I maintain neither Henry nor Cesc has what it takes to lead a dressing room at the top level.

        Henry has a lifetime of leading by example and despising the weaknesses of others. I've never seen any player drag his teammates so often. But leadership of a group of mixed talents requires consistency and optimism as well as brilliance.

        Cesc simply isn't smart, savvy or tough enough for the very top level.

        Anyway, I'm still in the spot I was years ago when Cesc whinged his way over to Barcelona: I'll never hate him as much for that as I despised Van Persie. As for Henry, he is a charming genius who has done right by Arsenal.

          Burnwinter I disagree on Cesc, I think he has all the makings of a top manager, and I actually think he’ll manage Arsenal one day. Great Spanish midfielders educated at La Masia know football, and when you hear him talk about coaching it’s clear he has the mentality and his own ideas. And I think he really wants to come here and win a title with Arsenal.

          And for the record, he has plenty of toughness — he carried the club for years as a very young man, when Wenger was going full youth and employing a bunch of jokers as fitness coaches and physios.

              CPM And for the record, he has plenty of toughness — he carried the club for years as a very young man

              I hear you. I think this can all be true.

              It's an interpolation, but I see Cesc as a "type A" approval-seeking personality. I reason that's why his quasi-paternal relationship with Wenger caused him such issues, as did the lack of sustained validation he received at Barcelona.

              I have no particular doubts about his football knowledge, though he doesn't come across as hugely bright in interviews or stories about his private life. But he's highly and diversely experienced in the sport and made lots of great individual decisions on the pitch.

              My prediction though: he'll have real trouble if he ends up managing a club of which the dressing room features galactico level players. This is a guy who won't deal well with any unruly stars undermining him, or even with the need to discipline players more generally.

              Anyway, that's obviously just bullshit theorising but that's what I see in him.

                  RowJimmy Sure, Titi didn't make it as a manager. But as a studio analyst he is much, much more incisive than almost anyone else I see.

                  Agreed. Except perhaps when it comes to standards he struggles with context. Like criticising Odegaard not creating chances despite the injuries when "it's the same team". It's not the same team Titi.

                  That run by Richy that led to Ode's assist - we haven't had that in a while. Saka does it all the time, ditto Gabimart.

                    Burnwinter you underestimate Cesc. For a 17 year old to come in from a foreign country and replace an Arsenal legend (Vieria) takes some doing.

                    Cesc was running rings around galacticos in the bernabu at 18. He also scored decisive penalties for Spain and was our youngest ever captain at 21. That doesn’t happen for no reason.

                    He def has something about him and if you watch him on tv as a pundit not many come close. Man is articulating the game in his second language putting some native pundits to shame.

                    He is a leader and his career to date shows you everything you need to know and as per our bet he will go to the top as a manager. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is our manager post Arteta.

                      Burnwinter Cesc is charismatic and very likeable so he will win hearts and minds of his players. And his career and football knowledge is second to none so he will get instant buy in.

                          Mirth he was a kid playing in a team of underachieves and punks like Eboue and Denislon. Cesc in our current team wouldn’t fade second half of any seasons.