So the ref gets the decision wrong, which has been proven by MLS red card being overturned, we react angrily and then get fined on top.

    I know it doesn’t feel right given we won the appeal, but I still don’t agree with that crowding of the ref, for two reasons. Firstly, he’s never going to change his mind because he has six or seven players shouting in his face. Which leads to the second point, it can only backfire we he takes offence at our (or whoever’s) behaviour. We can’t gain and only lose from those situations.

    I’d be fully behind refs bring more card happy with yellows and reds on those occasions. Walking the free kick forward ten yards for dissent too. All that of course is predicated on a level of respect between player and referee, one which players don’t have and which referees don’t deserve. So I can’t see any of it changing soon.

      100%

      You have to show dissent as a team there. You have to back up your boy. It achieves nothing, but MLS won't forget, ever. That his teammates and his club stood up for him in that moment.

      Tam while I generally agree, this was such an outrageous decision, on the back of several suspicious decisions against us. Crowding the referee here was the normal reaction.

        I didn't feel we were overly aggressive in that instance. I think its just sour grapes from Oliver and the PGMOL because they fucked up and we complained about it.

          Qwiss exactly. put yourself in the players shoes. just being on the end of yet another unfathomable decision.

            Qwiss Yup, we got the decision overturned but feels like this is something to keep them happy.

              Michael Owen's such a pillock.

              Someone should have challeneged Webb on this statement:

              26 Jan: “PGMOL's position on the incident is the challenge is extremely late, the point of contact is high and video evidence supports that conclusion.”

              18 Feb: PGMOL chief: “We would prefer a yellow card in this situation, and the VAR actually intervening.”

              The problem's less than half what Webb's got to say, and more than half that he's being filmed at all, still milking this situation for profit.

              PGMOL and its media allies blatantly wiggling themselves into kayfabe areas, similar to La Liga where Madrid's TV channel runs segments amounting to character assassinations on specific referees before matches.

              We haven't seen anything yet, this stuff can become far more perverse.

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