• JazzG

  • Post #1284

Gazza M Trump said Elon Musk and his team were gonna do it this way and that is what is happening. I mean tough if you don't like it but he won the popular vote and all swing states, he has a pretty strong mandate to do all this. When mid terms come if this all turns out to be a load of rubbish the voters will punish them and he'll end up a lame duck president for the rest of his term.

Obama's staffers talking about it and saying they should have done some of this stuff.

Mirth I'd agree with the latter, the US are taking about multi polar worlds and looks like they have no interest in spreading themselves thin. Their main worry and focus is China. Marco Rubio did an interview recently and it kind of gave a glimpse into their thinking. Ties into this all of a sudden obsession with the Panama Canal and Greenland.

Claudius The supreme court ruling that overturned Affirmative Action was bought forward by I think a conservative group who said the policies discriminated again Asian American students, are these Asian Americans the people who are trying to maintain white supremacy? A recent case gone into California alleging discrimination against Asian Americans. My understanding is that community feels pretty strongly about this, I had a few Chinese friends and spoke about them about this culture in their community of prioritising education over everything else. So I'm not surprised they feel a bit annoyed.

          • Gazza M

          • Post #1285
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          JazzG he had the lowest popular vote margin since Gerald Ford. that's not a mandate, which is a word republicans seem to have conflated with monarch.

          obama had an actual 'mandate' margin of 9m in term one and 5m in term two. his guys wish they could get away with this stuff, but they know he would've been lynched and probably assassinated if he'd tried a fraction of what the current administration is doing.

              • JazzG

              • Post #1286

              A mandate doesn't come from what margin you think is acceptable. He won the electoral college, popular votes and all the swing states. And all this DOGE stuff he has been going on about it since the summer.

              Yes Obama had a mandate and a shame he didn't use his mandate to go after the banks and put people in jail after their fucks up tanked the world economy. Living a nice cushy life now I hear though.

                • Gazza M

                • Post #1287
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                JazzG stop trying to pretend the way DOGE is conducting itself was always part of the agenda. it was sold as an external consultancy that would only be making cost cutting recommendations to the executive and congressional branches to decide on. I knew that was an utter load of horseshit, just like their denials abour P25 being their agenda despite them now enacting it basically line for line. no-one voted for elon musk to delete entire govt departments and have hiring/firing power over the federal workforce with no oversight, no matter how many times the word mandate is thrown around.

                  • JazzG

                  • Post #1288

                  This tweet goes into the detail about DOGE, if this is correct they have repurposed one of Obama's agencies and turned it into DOGE.

                    • Gazza M

                    • Post #1289
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                    JazzG "if this tweet is true" haha. did your algorithm recommend the maga lawyer who 'puts the axe in the skull of tyranny?'

                      Jazz, I don't mean to go at you so hard mate, honestly. we've shared the same digital space since like 2003 and i know you to be a top poster. to be completely candid, OMITT is one of the last pockets of the internet I actually frequent, since I've watched the rest of it go to hell over the last 15 years. there's so much fast moving bullshit out there, that I feel doubly compelled to call it out when I see some of it in here. chalk it under being overly protective perhaps. anyway I'll probably post in this thread a bit less. the political climate is aimed to demoralise and get people disengaged and I fear it's working to a tee.

                        It’s tempting, but I’d very much advocate against this. I like to know what people think and how they think. Folks here recently have heard my views on the transgender debate. It may not be popular, but I feel unless people are being genuinely and deliberately reckless and malicious with their words, then by all means, I want to hear their views. You learn a little in every discussion, whether or not you end up in agreement eventually.

                        Plus, eda o laropin. People experience shit, perspectives change.

                          RowJimmy id agree with flobs. I don't think this forum needs it

                            I agree with you both on that @Gazza M @flobaba.

                            It's a non echo chamber type space online, which is a bit of a rarity. We've also still got people from quite a few different places and walks of life on here. No bad thing we don't agree on everything.

                            My views on politics are actually a bit more relaxed (believe it or not) than they used to be. But I am damn sure I don't think what's happening in the US currently is a democratic restoration.

                            Gazza M he had the lowest popular vote margin since Gerald Ford

                            And that was competing with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, between them comfortably the two shittest candidates I've ever seen the Democrats put in the field, running the worst campaign.

                            Biden or Harris versus Trump: suggesting that Clayton's choice proves what's occurring now is the will of the people is like saying Burger King must be good food because I chose it over Wendy's.

                            The shocking state the Democrats are in is pretty good evidence of system capture.

                              Mirth @Kel Varnsen

                              According to this data (haven't vetted it) that age bracket is already the cohort with the worst nett negative on Trump.

                              What we're looking at is the next stage of disintegration, not a bright new movement.

                                Kel is right, Trump's doing the will of the people. Some really weak-willed dumb people.

                                  • est

                                  • Post #1299

                                  banduan Some really weak-willed dumb people.

                                  Definitely not elitist in any way.

                                      • Daz

                                      • Post #1300

                                      LOL at the gall of this orange clown who did all he could to avoid disclosing his own financial records in his last term and will also avoid any scrutiny of the massive conflicts of interest at play in this DOGE scam. I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks there is any genuine 'public interest' motive or outcome in what these lot are up to is also a clown.
                                      I mean, if you want to lick Trump and Elon's balls, then go right ahead if that's your jam. But please spare us from any attempts to paint this as some benevolent strategy to restore democracy and transparency in government.

                                      est Definitely not elitist in any way.

                                      nope definitely not. When a group of people vote against their best interests despite other groups in their own demographics warning them of such, there's little else that can be said. You don't have to be an elite to make that analysis. Their own peers are doing it.

                                      The good thing though is that they can treat it as a learning experience and do better next time.

                                          banduan The good thing though is that they can treat it as a learning experience and do better next time.

                                          haha!

                                            • Mirth

                                            • Post #1303

                                            RowJimmy I’ve seen worse football takes than politics takes on here