Qwiss Absolutely. And physically more aggressive and courageous. He's far from perfect but I don't see him getting as badly steamrolled by Adebayo, as Raya just was.
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Burnwinter He's far from perfect but I don't see him getting as badly steamrolled by Adebayo, as Raya just was.
Why? I recall us conceding from multiple Ramsdale flaps last season
I don't remember whether we've conceded from it or not, but it's definitely something Ramsdale is prone to do as well.
I'm still not that interested in the Raya vs Ramsdale debate. Both are very good keepers in my book and both are suffering from a confidence crisis. But I'm not worried and I'm certainly not entertaining debates about who's worse.
Thought Raya was working through it before Tuesday, at least he's not been mucking up on the ball anymore. If Aaron came back in I'm sure he'll start to look like his old self soon enough too.
Clrnc If he can't deal with the pressure of getting his place back then he needs to leave. He won't get a run of games to win his place back, he will have training sessions and limited game time to prove himself. That is simply the cut throat nature of elite football.
Ramsdale was flapping around and making all sort of mistakes last season, goals went in where a top keeper would have saved them. I'm not saying Raya is the solution but I am saying Ramsdale definitely isn't.
I have a new found respect for Arteta for dropping Ramsdale and instead of getting his head down and working he has been using his agent and father to stir shit up in the media. Any foreign player would not get this much attention. Get rid in January if we get a good fee, this guy isn't worth the hassle.
Burnwinter Just off the top of my head he flapped at the goal that Martinez against us last season when we played Man Utd.
JazzG Missed his punch against PSV for De Jong's goal and conceded directly from a corner kick last season as well, didn't he?
goon isn't it when their level is similar such a debate would be even remotely interesting? No point discussing White vs Cedric.
I think if the debate surrounds who's better for our game stylistically it would be, rather than playing mistakes top trumps. Unfortunately the show they're both putting on so far this season has pushed that firmly into the background.
Pepe LeFrits Yup, he gets way too much leeway for his performances. I've been moaning about him for over a year it feels like. His passing has progressively got worse as well.
I'm sad because first 6 months Ramsdale looked a monster keeper in the making, honestly thought he would be among the top keepers in the world. Feels like that was just a purple patch now.
Hates a bit strong, no? Havertz got far worse treatment and a few games later, his goals have contributed to 6 points won. It would be crazy to write Raya off.
The first thing Henry said when the story took hold was 'What about strikers?' Uncertainty about who is number 1 would be something that Havertz/Vieira/Jorginho would have also experienced this season. I don't recall a media storm about that.
How about White 'losing' his spot to Tomiyasu? I can't imagine White was particularly pleased about that and would have certainly brought doubts regarding his position as the main man.
The difference is not just the conditions that are created but also ones response to those conditions. Ramsdale could have responded far better than he has. If he buckles under pressure and competition, then that only weeds him out as someone who isn't good enough. It's not like Ramsdale didn't have problems last season.
If anything Raya may have accelerated the process to determining whether Ramsdale is actually good enough for a title winning side. And Raya himself might have shown that he's only good enough as number 2. Which means we go out and sign our Allison in the summer.
I think Raya is better than Ramsdale. Better shotstopper, much better with the ball at his feet. Yes, he has made a few costly mistakes, including the two goals conceded the other day, but all in all he is a clear upgrade on Ramsdale.
daredevil whether or not Ramsdale should've reacted better isn't really relevant the way I see it. The only thing that matters is whether Raya gives us a better season than Ramsdale did last year.
In simple terms, if Ramsdale gave us a 7/10 season last year and then Raya gives us 6/10 and Ramsdale drops to 5/10 due to his own disability to deal with being benched, the only relevant thing will be that we could've had a 7/10 Ramsdale instead.
(the numbers are just to be taken in relation to each other, not as absolute numbers. I've never been a big fan of Ramsdale and was clear about Raya becoming our first choice if we signed him. It's just the blame aspect I'm not following.)
daredevil I'm sure I've explained this before, but two of my best mates are Brentford ST holders. As such I have had ample opportunity to watch this guy and I just know in my bones that he is dodgy as fuck. I hated the links with him 3 years ago & breathed a sigh of relief when we sighed Ramsdale.
Yes, I was absolutely fooled by his first two games with us and I do get the logic behind the signing, but every time he has been under pressure since those first games, he has cracked. I have no problem with Aaron Ramsdale being replaced, but the upside of him being replaced by Raya seems marginal at best.
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RocktheCasbah I hated the links with him 3 years ago & breathed a sigh of relief when we sighed Ramsdale.
"Enters Inaki Cana"
Side note, just realised Runarsson is still our player wtf? Just terminate his contract ffs, he is being loaned out to Cardiff where he is struggling to get regular game time ahead of some journeyman keeper Alnwick.
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a bunch of excuse making for these losers (if the media is correct then they are losers). these guys have gone to shit AFTER the job has been given to them. what pressure from a backup was ramsdale under after his great first 6 months at the club? what pressure from ramsdale is raya under after he's been given the #1 job and no action from arteta since can lead anyone to believe there is some competition and any little mistake will cause him to be dropped. their performances or lack there of is of their own making.
i guess the best thing is to have a #1 and some 40 yr old #2 that the #1 can't mistake as his potential replacement. even a #2 from the academy could be viewed as your future replacement so that's not good. wait, now that i think about it, did signing america's #1 cause ramsdale to lose form? fucking arteta.
Qwiss I think we're selectively forgetting how poor Aaron's form was. Many, many people immediately recognized a massive difference in crosses claimed and general security in the box when Raya came in. That's not to say Ramsdale can't do it, but I don't think you can say that he was doing it at the time.
