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Jesus

Qwiss

Clrnc he undershot his xg this year but he doesn't usually. Jesus under performs it every year. I still think there's an explosive goal scoring season in Eddie but I'm not sure we can wait for it. I see him as a Watkins type who'll probably score a load when he's 26-27 but never be quite top class.

Qwiss

Meatwad don't think Jesus has done those other things since his injury though. And Eddies pressing is good. We've been worse since Jesus came back than we were with Eddie playing. Think Jesus coming deep trips us up a bit in build up. Fine when he's getting on the ball and breaking the lines like he was pre-World Cup but when he's not it's a handicap.

Someone like Osimhen would change things for us completely.

Meatwad

Qwiss
but we at least know what jesus' style of play can accomplish in the system. maybe after his injury he wasn't able to reach those levels, but our options weren't only jesus at his best, jesus at his worse or eddie. we saw trossard playing the false 9 and we were much better than with eddie up top and similar to jesus in the first half.

and look i don't even like this whole striker who can't score business. just trying to make the best of a bad situation. and if my options are all guys who can't score like a striker should then i'm going with the ones who bring out the best in others.

Big Willie

Qwiss We've been worse since Jesus came back than we were with Eddie playing

That's ignoring the Saliba sized hole we had in our defence during this period though.

lorddulaarsenal

He’s gone right off the boil. Lex Lacazette would have posted better numbers for us

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Struggling to notice his and Zinchenko's good qualities at present.

Tam

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert It's strange that they came in with a lot of fanfare about being winners and adding that competitive edge to the team, but come the sharp and difficult business end of the season where you would most look to that impact, they've been a massive let down. For Jesus, not just in terms of goalscoring either. He's seemed in a massive sulk for a couple of months now and spends half his time rolling around looking for fouls.

flobaba

Twas my initial reservation about him. When he's not sharp or confident and able to take defenders on, he is not very useful as he doesn't do very well what a striker is paid to do - score goals.

We need a real one as our number 9. He's a fugazy.

Clrnc

Tam All those winners and mental strength crap has always been overrated. Just a lazy narrative when people win

Qwiss

Tam I've been annoyed with his whinging for fouls all the time too. I really think the City factor got into both of their heads TBH. Mahrez is out in the press now saying he's been texting one of our players to slag us off after they took the league from us. They've done a number on them, completely rattled Zinchenko when we played them in February.

Don Pacifico

Clrnc I think it's probably somewhere in the middle. It's an intangible that is tough to measure but it doesn't mean it wasn't a contributing factor; I think we saw a similar effect the season we bought Ozil in. But it probably wasn't as significant as some of the hype and fluff made out, more likely it was one of a number of factors that contributed to our improved performance.

est

Clrnc Couldn't disagree more. Character plays a massive role in results. It's not a coincidence that some players/teams/managers are able to raise their game when the stakes are high, but some crumble and produce performances that are below their usual level.

goon

He's not been in great form (since his return from a 3 month layoff from a serious knee injury) and frustrated the hell out of me against Forest, but some of the language and takes on here are well OTT.

Kel Varnsen

goon

It's as only the last three months count at any given moment..

Clrnc

Don Pacifico Ozil is not a good character and definitely not a winner. One of the weakest player mentally

Don Pacifico

Clrnc we can say he wasn't a good character with hindsight and because we saw the collapse of his career but when he joined he'd won league titles in Germany and Spain as well as being a leading light in the new golden generation of German talent that had finished third at the 2010 World Cup and 2012 Euros.

I think having those kinds of figures can have a multiplier effect on the rest of the squad as they start to believe they can achieve greater things. Potentially, it also sets new standards of expectations in matches/training too.

Clrnc

Don Pacifico He won those titles being part of a great team, not because he was a winner and a huge voice/inspiration in the dressing room.

Don Pacifico

Clrnc define winner. Because he literally won things.

I don't think you need to be a vocal presence in the dressing room to improve the levels/standards of those around you either.

I'm not an Ozil apologist but I think suggesting he isn't a winner and didn't help lift our level in his first season is rewriting history.

Doc

Y'all being way too harsh on Jesus... He has had a serious injury and has lost his burst.. Was probably our best player before he got injured. Elevated our attack massively... Preseason and he should be back at it again.

Gazza M

damn he's getting a kicking. I think he'll come back strong and motivated next season. if we don't sign a 9, I'm comfortable going into the new season with him leading the line supported by eddie and marti

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