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Eze

Burnwinter

TambourineMan First off, I apologise for my tone from yesterday - there was no need to be snide.

Fair play to you mate, you can have my apologies for claiming you can't think, are running a misery cult for imbeciles and make farcical arguments. Said the same to my old mum over the depth of water in her kitchen sink the other day so you're in good company. ❤️

TambourineMan Ultimately, I think our failure to address the LW position will cost us this season. Sounds like you disagree?

I do.

First off as I observed earlier we haven't failed to sign a left winger this window yet.

Secondly and I've said this for years, it's harder than haters claim to upgrade Martinelli. Even his haters aren't arguing Martinelli should be sold to pay for Eze, because everyone kinda knows Martinelli's actually good. Bayern aren't sniffing round him at our high valuation because he's shit.

Sicario said the other day signing Eze would put us at 85% to win the league. If that were true, Eze would cost more than Isak money. Truth is it would be one of many pieces of that puzzle. Gyökeres and Zubimendi are bigger ones.

While signing Eze would be lovely on the pitch, Eze's traits mean I'm more interested in him due to our vulnerability to injury or poor form from Ødegaard than based on the notion he upgrades Martinelli with a "starting quality" player.

Madueke looks a durable and versatile chaos merchant to me. I seem him being systematically underrated by Arsenal fans on both quality and potential, mostly in order to make a point. He's statistically as good one on one as Saka. He moves at pace on the ball and has a lot in his locker. We drop points and look hopeless when Bukayo is out, we can barely even beat the press half the time.

Sadly, the money side also has to come in. Our team has modelled paying Madueke's fee based on the overall parameters of a 5 year contract and where he'll be at towards of the end of it. If you think that through about signing the older Eze on higher wages it's not so pretty.

We all want to win the league now, but if we don't what's giving us the PSR headroom to have another crack in the next three seasons?

We can't have it both ways, the argument "the Madueke money" can be seen as a straight swap for "the Eze money" premises itself on the financial constraints it dismisses in the next breath.

TambourineMan

Burnwinter

All good mate, no offence taken.

You already know my view on this, so I won’t go overboard, but I still disagree with a few points. I get that you don’t see this window as a failure and feel that we might sign still a LW, but my point is always about the “what if we don’t” scenario - and I think we part ways on how costly that would be.

On Martinelli, I don’t think him being “hard to upgrade” is necessarily true, Eze who's been twerking for us all summer is one example of a clear improvement on him. Martinelli would be great back up for a side with major aspirations but he can't be a starter.

On Madueke, I know you see him as undervalued and versatile but I just don’t think he's a good use of £50m. Backup for Saka is important, but not at the expense of LW (understanding of course that things might change and if it does, so will my impression of the signing - would still be overpriced but as long as its not a blocker I'm not fussed - not my money after all)

We’ll see how it plays out, and hopefully you’re right in the long run but for me, if we don’t bring in a starting LW, we’ll have left ourselves short again.

Anyway - let's just smash United on Sunday, yeah. Sick of transfer talk and just want the football to start.

Qwiss

I think we have a squad right now that is capable of winning the league. I didn't go into last season with any real expectations because I thought we didn't do enough in the window. This year I believe we have the right squad, with quality in every position. If we can move Trossard and replace him with an upgrade then that's great but I'm not losing sleep over it and I don't think its going to hold us back much.

JazzG

Sensible from Spurs point of view, take advantage of us not moving on this.

Tam

JazzG They can sell him a story of being the creative hub of the team in Maddison's absence. He must also be looking at that thinking Maddison is always out and if he makes it his own this year then he's locked down in their team. That's not as clear cut here. The exact role in the team isn't as well defined, and wherever he plays he's facing much stronger competition than he would at Spurs. There's a tendency to think he'd choose us, but those would be realistic concerns for any player who wants to actually play, despite how much he may want to play for his team.

Gazza M

JazzG this sucks. he's going to make spurs much more annoying to play against

Sicario2

JazzG if we don’t win anything big this is the moment we can point to.

Spurs will be competing for CL places with this signing. NLD just got a lot harder too.

Snooze you lose FC

JazzG

Tam True, I think as fans we don't realise this but it is a big deal when you promise someone they'll be first choice. Eze is at the point in his career where he needs to be playing frequently.

Part of why we struggled to get a backup to Saka was players knew their playing time would be limited.

Panda

Sad times 😢😢 wish we'd just put the money down and worry about selling later.

JazzG

Gazza M He is a massive upgrade on Maddison for them imo.

It would be a massive shame to lose out on him and if we do want him I'd like to think the board would be more flexible and just get the signing done because our other players will sell but might not sell until the end of the window.

JazzG

Sicario2 Unlike you to have a kneejerk reaction mate!

Qwiss

Sicario2 Spurs will be competing for CL places with this signing.

No they wont. They were 17th last season. They'll finish between 8th and 12th is my prediction. That's as midtable a team as you are going to find.

Sicario2

JazzG hardly knee jerk, we’ve all said he’s the final player to complete the summer for the past 2 months and he’s going to our biggest rivals. It that doenst piss you off I don’t know what will.

We still don’t have a LW which was a non-negotiable pre-summer.

It’s cool, not end of the world we don’t win something this season right? So ok if Eze joins them and we sit on our arses. Always one player short = 21 years without a title. All good.

JazzG

Sicario2 We've probably had the best transfer window this club has ever had and you're still not happy? You say LW was a non negotiable but I got the impression I was in a minority on this forum who said the LW position was more important than signing a CF. Eze can play LW, probably to a decent level but he is not really the type of LW player I'd have top of my list.

I do want Eze though, I think he can be a top alterative to Odegaard when needed. But he isn't THE LW signing I wanted but I think a player like him would be incredibly useful to us. I have mentioned on her before but I have my doubts about Odegaard and don't think Nwaneri is ready to step up either so we need a player who can play his position but when needed can cover other positions because we will need to give them all game time.

Sometimes you can't do everything, I don't know whether it is a money issue or whether the club are waiting on someone else. Tweet above from new Tier 1 man indy seems to think we are waiting on someone before making our final transfer but that other ITK who has been reliable says we will make a move but not yet. Lets wait to see how things play out before we make any judgement on this window.

lorddulaarsenal

Wait a sec - haven’t we significantly improved a team that’s been challenging very well for the past 3 seasons? New top class players in plus development of youthful players.

Arteta has also stated that we are actively looking to bring another player in.

Now I’m not Martinelli’s biggest fan, and I’d definitely like to upgrade that left side of attack, but surely if he’s going to reach the level he showed a few years back then now’s the time, with increased competition for his place.

I foresee Madueke smashing it on the left anyhow. Plus Jesus can operate wide well - fingers crossed he can regain full fitness

TambourineMan

Yeah. Jesus will be the difference between 2nd and 1st. Fantastic.

lorddulaarsenal

TambourineMan Gyokeres and Zubi won’t help bridge the gap?

Burnwinter

Disappointing from a mocking Spurs perspective if it happens, but it'll ease off fast when Eze's turning in Spurs level performances at Spurs.

TambourineMan

lorddulaarsenal they definitely will, but I just can't look past LW. Been banging this drum for two summers and I just can't believe we might go into another season without addressing it.

You can't win a league title with Martinelli/Trossard as your LW combo. It's just not happening.

Qwiss

TambourineMan we were a point of winning the league with them 15 months ago. With the other additions to the squad we are better than that now. Last season they had 16 goals and 12 assists between them in the league. That's decent returns from the left.

est

TambourineMan You can't win a league title with Martinelli/Trossard as your LW combo. It's just not happening.

Of course you can. You don't need 11 world class players to win the League.

You just need quality throughout the team and the team needs to work well as a unit. We have the former, remains to be seen whether we can achieve the latter.

Also, we now have Madueke in there as well, so we're not exactly just banking on Martinelli and Trossard.

RowJimmy

Eze is a good player, not a transformative one. I just don't see the point of the level of angst about this.

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