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Arteta - one more year and that’s it

Mirth

I watched the interview. Oddly the main message was pretty reasonable, he even said that the first 3 years under Arteta shouldn't be viewed harshly as there was a lot that needed to change and that Arteta has done a good job overall but trophies are massively lacking. It is weird to be second in the league for multiple years but not reaching any finals.

But he was trying to stir the pot a bit, probably for Sky or because he's bitter that the club keep him an arms length away.

RocktheCasbah

HomeSteak We spent the striker money on Califiori.

This is not true. There's no way we'd have been signing a striker for £40m - who would it have been?

Said it before, I'll say it again; the issue for Arsenal last summer was not the funds they had, it was the availability of the players they wanted to sign. To suggest otherwise, I think, is a major misrepresentation.

Mirth

RocktheCasbah Said it before, I'll say it again; the issue for Arsenal last summer was not the funds they had, it was the availability of the players they wanted to sign.

Then I would say the list of players the wanted to sign was incomplete because Marmoush and Kvaratskhelia were available and moved.

Not signing a striker is one thing but not signing a striker or a wide player is a big miss.

Claudius

RocktheCasbah yeah. Don’t know why we are obsessed with this idea that getting one player automatically stops us getting another. Especially defenders and keepers who are typically cheap versus strikers who cost a shit load and are rate.

It’s well documented that we looked at two Sesko at the start of the summer and that failed. So it’s not like we didn’t go out looking for a striker.

QuincyAbeyie

RocktheCasbah This is not true. There's no way we'd have been signing a striker for £40m - who would it have been?

Does it have to be the case that the hypothetical striker cost a maximum of 40m? When I hear it makes sense that we aren't in for Marmoush because of his salary demands or Kvara because of the agent fees, it's all just money in the end.

Burnwinter

To be clear I haven't ever had much of a problem with Henry's punditry, I've just got my theory about why he hasn't enjoyed success as a leader I guess.

The pundits will all shoot their mouths off, but if I'm saying we'd better well in contention for the league by Christmas or Arteta should get the sack, I'm not too far off.

Sicario2

Burnwinter @Don Pacifico @RocktheCasbah what do you think of Burnwinter’s assessment?

RocktheCasbah

Mirth Then I would say the list of players the wanted to sign was incomplete because Marmoush and Kvaratskhelia were available and moved.

Not signing a striker is one thing but not signing a striker or a wide player is a big miss

Agree, but something obviously went wrong last summer. We all know Raheem Sterling was not the plan. I don't know about you, but it doesn't seem that mad to me to think that with our sporting director dreaming of CEO roles elsewhere, he might have taken his eye off the ball last summer. It's not Arteta's job to ID talent, but if he wasn't doing it, then who was?

It is also, of course, possible that Arsenal either explored moves for the players you mentioned and didn't follow up, or simply didn't fancy either of them. That doesn't in itself mean the process itself is at fault, at the end of the day, it's just a judgement call.

Don Pacifico

Sicario2 it doesn't change anything. There's no way Henry saying those things is a net positive on our ability to win stuff.

RocktheCasbah

Sicario2 I think we're all agreed Arteta needs to win something next season, it kind of follows he needs to be looking like he's gonna win something by Christmas.

I would still harbour doubts about removing a coach who gets us to a high 80s- 90+ points total, but I do also understand we need to get a big one over the line at some point.

daredevil

It feels like this club has been put on hormone blockers which prevents it from pursuing/landing any top drawer attacking talent.

Either that, or we've made our bed with Jesus, Trossard, Havertz and Martinelli and there isn't any space without selling them.

RowJimmy

What I suspect happened last year was that we had valuations for the various targets and weren't willing to go beyond them to force the issue. Which is different from not having the money. (Just my opinion.)

Sicario2

Don Pacifico I think it can be motivational if Arteta uses it right.

When one of your own is a hater then you simply have to win next year, it’s now non-negotiable.

Claudius

Don Pacifico Henry doesn't need to be an Arsenal fan in the media. He needs to be a good analyst - and leverage his knowledge of and affinity to the club to add perspectives and hypotheses that other analysts can't. It feels like he is doing that, and I actually think it is helpful to have a sympathetic but critical voice.

What is not helpful is guys like Neville and Carragher who routinely attack us and position us an arch-villain. That I can do without.

Don Pacifico

Sicario2 I mean, it definitely didn't help ETH or any of his predecessors.

Obviously not entirely responsible for United's shit show but definitely helped it become a more pressurised job.

I'm also not convinced Arteta needs further motivation. Seems pretty self-motivated already and he's done a good job of infusing that hunger into the team.

Don Pacifico

Claudius nah. The 'noise' helps sow division in the fans and discontent in the club.

We've got enough detractors in the media, we don't need any more.

Claudius

Don Pacifico Fans need to put on their thinking caps. I generally support Arteta as you guys have seen around here, but I think it is important to have well-considered positions on what he and the rest of the organisation can do better. If people can't handle the truth, then that's their problem.

Don Pacifico

Claudius as I said, it's not about truth. I think most fans are aware that things need to improve, even if they are supportive of Arteta and the club. It's about unnecessary pressure and distractions.

Also, I don't need Henry or any other ex-player to inform my opinion. There's plenty of healthy discourse from neutral sources to provoke consideration.

awooga83

Don Pacifico unsurprisingly my view isn't really harsh as others because I do agree with what he's said. But I think elite sports starts do attribute significance to winning that's what drives them to be at the top of their game so him having those views I don't think it's that usual. The people at the top of any sport are unlikely to view being amongst the top contenders as the outcome they seek, that's what competitive sport is about

Don Pacifico

awooga83 as I said, I'm not disputing the opinion. Think it's perfectly reasonable even if I don't fully agree with it.

The issue is someone strongly associated with us, publicly shitting on the people currently working at the club. I don't think it does anything to improve the situation.

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