Sicario2 - Tier 1 The two situations are different.

Yes very different. Henry stayed an extra season, he'd given us his best years, he talked with Wenger like an adult and left on good terms. He is an invinvicible. Was a key man in winning 2 league titles and 3 cups. He has a big statue outside the Emirates.

Fabregas fucked Wenger and wanted out immediately. Went on strike. Wore the club that were chasing hims jersey publicly. Tanked his transfer value. Won one cup here that had very little to do with him. Joined Chelsea.

      Sicario2 - Tier 1 @JazzG I mean I’m not overly arguing against either of your points about Henry or his character, but that doesn’t make what he said any less valid.

          Qwiss one hundo. cesc is an irredeemable snake, and imo he is the king of weaselly PR merchants. bitched to get his dream club move and when it didn't go his way went and won titles for jose. fuck him. Henry said nothing wrong in that clip anyway. we were playing shite with saka, havertz and martinelli available, so he right about there being deeper issues than the injury crisis

              Its mad to me that people will turn on one of the biggest legends the clubs has ever had, probably the best player to every pull on a red and white shirt just because he was mildly critical of the current manager.

              It reminds me of reddit where I've seen people say things like "Merson hates Arsenal" because he wont just praise everything that goes. Or "Lee Dixon wants City to win and Arsenal to lose" because he's asking for to go and win things.

              You don't have to agree with everything a former player says about the current team but have a bit of respect for the greats of this club.

                Qwiss when it comes down to it, Henry’s given me more happy memories being an Arsenal fan than Arteta has. Simple as that really.

                    Gazza M also CBS is hardly the bastion of football analysis and more a click bait generator

                      Mirth I like Arteta, liked him as a player, like him now as a manager but I fucking love Henry.

                      I also hate this idea that the current team is beyond criticism. Henry's points are fair and have been made by a lot of people. I don't fully agree with him about our creativity being the issue but its a reasonable discussion I've had with people in real life and on here.

                          Qwiss Arsenal super legend or not, what are Henry’s credentials as a manager to be super critical of Arteta?

                          The Frenchman wouldn’t be able to last more than 2 months as our manager. There is a reason he is a full time pundit now. Got sacked from his boyhood club (who are in a famers league).

                          Everyone can be an armchair manager. Can Henry stand in Arteta’s shoes with the amount of pressure, spotlight and expectations you have being the boss of one of the biggest clubs in Europe? I doubt it. Put some respect on Arteta’s name.

                          Arteta and Cesc will have greater managerial careers than the Frenchman.

                              JazzG Those of us who have followed Arsenal long enough know exactly what Henry is, and no, what a lot of "those of us" know is very different to what you do.

                                Sicario2 - Tier 1 Arsenal super legend or not, what are Henry’s credentials as a manager to be super critical of Arteta?

                                What are the credentials of any of us to do the same? It's opinions. Some more reasoned than others but so long as they have reasoning (that aren't click bait related), they're valid.

                                  Sicario2 - Tier 1 Arsenal super legend or not, what are Henry’s credentials as a manager to be super critical of Arteta?

                                  You don't need to be a manager to be critical of Arteta. You've been critical of Arteta. You've been praising managers. All of us have said their opinions about football stuff without being PL managers.

                                    Sicario2 - Tier 1 Can Henry stand in Arteta’s shoes with the amount of pressure, spotlight and expectations you have being the boss of one of the biggest clubs in Europe? I doubt it.

                                    Hard to say, maybe if we gave him 3 seasons of failure to figure it out he might.

                                    Sicario2 - Tier 1 Arteta and Cesc will have greater managerial careers than the Frenchman.

                                    Cescs done nothing. But look we get it, you love Cesc, you love Mourinho and you hate on Henry, Saka and Odegaard.

                                        I think there's a general rule here.

                                        I don't really agree with everything Titi was saying anyway. He was going on about how we were not creating chances from open play even last year.. I recall us beating teams 5 or 6 to nothing for a while in the second half of the season last year. We created plenty of chanced from open play then. We just added set piece threat to our game (especially earlier this season, though it seems to have dried up a bit, but i think some of that has to do with Saka being out and not taking them from the right side).

                                          USArsenal whether you agree with Thierry or not, and I actually do, he's not saying anything outlandish that the fans themselves haven't been saying for a while.

                                          Fact of the matter is Thierry is arrogant, I agree with those who are saying this (even though they use it as a slight against him) but to me it's absolutely not something I have an issue with, nor do I even see it as a negative. All the greats are arrogant and think themselves the best and Thierry is no different. He can back up his arrogance with everything he's won and his importance to each and every team he's won with. He's our greatest ever player and the greatest player to have habe played in the Premiership. Honestly at times he looked like he was playing against youth team players.

                                          Now that arrogance might rub opposition fans and his haters up the wrong way, but I like it, and I loved it when he played for us. You could say he's been poor as a coach, he wasn't much of a mentor to Reyes etc. It's true to some extent. But those who are the best at what they do are not always the best and guiding and moulding people, and sometimes just can't understand why they can't do what comes to them so easily. That obsession they have with the game and constantly working to be the best doesn't always lend itself to being empathetic to less talented people even if they are trying their best. How many of the best coaches are former greats in their positions? Not as many as the great coaches who are great despite not being great players I'd imagine. Its a completely different skill you'd need to have to get the best out of others than it is to get the best out of yourself. Some have it, some don't.

                                          But PR or not, Thierry has always talked about us, whether negatively or positively, as if he is a fan, and I believe he genuinely cherished his time with us and the love we showed him. He always talks about the club as "us" and that's why I always have time for him, Wrighty and Keown because even whenever they're criticizing something about the team, if feels like a fan talking and wanting the best for the club, and not some snakey shit like you see when Fabregas used to try to beg it after going on strike to force a move to Barca.

                                          Say what you will about his coaching and his attitude towards Reyes but no one can convince me to entertain talk that chats shit about him.

                                              Big Willie whether you agree with Thierry or not, and I actually do, he's not saying anything outlandish that the fans themselves haven't been saying for a while.

                                              I didnt say i didnt agree with any of it, just not all of it. But I assume the rest of that was for the others who called him arrogant, etc. I didn't mention that at all.