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Sicario2

Tam he rarely praises us when we do well but when we in a bad situation he puts the foot in and goes in, so obvious. Probably jealous of Artera as Titi hasn’t done anything of any note as a coach. I can see right through it.

JazzG

Sicario2 Probably jealous of Artera as Titi hasn’t done anything of any note as a coach. I can see right through it.

Those of us who have followed Arsenal long enough know exactly what Henry is. A legend on the pitch for us but when it was his time to be the leader and look after the ones coming through, we all know what happened. His treatment of Reyes was a disgrace. Henry is a PR merchant, always tries to make himself look good but sometimes the mask slips...

Mirth

Sicario2 Plus where they were in their respective careers and ages was totally different.

Exactly. Henry actually won things and was in the twilight of his career. Fabregas left as soon as he turned 24 with his best years ahead of him with no guarantee of being a starter for Barcelona

Even Fabregas himself admitted he left too early

QuincyAbeyie

Sicario2 Plus where they were in their respective careers and ages was totally different.

This does the opposite of helping your point.

QuincyAbeyie

Don Pacifico I'm oversimplifying but it does make me wish we started games a little more aggressively.

We did this for the first half of 22/23 and it was great to see.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

QuincyAbeyie let's hope we finally bolster the front line and can afford to go hard early in games from next season.

Don Pacifico

QuincyAbeyie fully agree. I find it mystifying that we see that so rarely now.

Sicario2

JazzG agreed. He’s no Tony Adams who would die for the club.

Rohit

JazzG Those of us who have followed Arsenal long enough know exactly what Henry is, and no, what a lot of "those of us" know is very different to what you do.

Tam

Sicario2 @JazzG I mean I’m not overly arguing against either of your points about Henry or his character, but that doesn’t make what he said any less valid.

Qwiss

Sicario2 The two situations are different.

Yes very different. Henry stayed an extra season, he'd given us his best years, he talked with Wenger like an adult and left on good terms. He is an invinvicible. Was a key man in winning 2 league titles and 3 cups. He has a big statue outside the Emirates.

Fabregas fucked Wenger and wanted out immediately. Went on strike. Wore the club that were chasing hims jersey publicly. Tanked his transfer value. Won one cup here that had very little to do with him. Joined Chelsea.

Gazza M

Qwiss one hundo. cesc is an irredeemable snake, and imo he is the king of weaselly PR merchants. bitched to get his dream club move and when it didn't go his way went and won titles for jose. fuck him. Henry said nothing wrong in that clip anyway. we were playing shite with saka, havertz and martinelli available, so he right about there being deeper issues than the injury crisis

flobaba

Tam I also think it has to do with the player Saka. Henry has obviously taken him under his wing, and is protective of him, hence questioning the prevalence of (hamstring) injuries in the side, and our defense oriented or enhancing style of play (work rate required across the forward line, everyone bursting an artery to get behind the ball to keep shape).

If we want to continue like this (high work rate demanded from forward players) we need a bigger squad. With quality players to spell Saka and Kai. Can't afford to bring in the likes of Sterling anymore, as I think his presence and the lack of trust Arteta has justifiably shown in him has contributed to our overuse of Saka/Kai/Martinelli. Gabriel Jesus was just a freak accident from what I consider a really dumb tackle attempt.

Mirth

Gazza M also CBS is hardly the bastion of football analysis and more a click bait generator

Mirth

Sicario2 I’ve listened to this now and I’ve seen more whiny takes on this forum than anything Henry said there

Qwiss

Its mad to me that people will turn on one of the biggest legends the clubs has ever had, probably the best player to every pull on a red and white shirt just because he was mildly critical of the current manager.

It reminds me of reddit where I've seen people say things like "Merson hates Arsenal" because he wont just praise everything that goes. Or "Lee Dixon wants City to win and Arsenal to lose" because he's asking for to go and win things.

You don't have to agree with everything a former player says about the current team but have a bit of respect for the greats of this club.

Mirth

Qwiss when it comes down to it, Henry’s given me more happy memories being an Arsenal fan than Arteta has. Simple as that really.

Qwiss

Mirth I like Arteta, liked him as a player, like him now as a manager but I fucking love Henry.

I also hate this idea that the current team is beyond criticism. Henry's points are fair and have been made by a lot of people. I don't fully agree with him about our creativity being the issue but its a reasonable discussion I've had with people in real life and on here.

Sicario2

Qwiss Arsenal super legend or not, what are Henry’s credentials as a manager to be super critical of Arteta?

The Frenchman wouldn’t be able to last more than 2 months as our manager. There is a reason he is a full time pundit now. Got sacked from his boyhood club (who are in a famers league).

Everyone can be an armchair manager. Can Henry stand in Arteta’s shoes with the amount of pressure, spotlight and expectations you have being the boss of one of the biggest clubs in Europe? I doubt it. Put some respect on Arteta’s name.

Arteta and Cesc will have greater managerial careers than the Frenchman.

Don Pacifico

Sicario2 Arsenal super legend or not, what are Henry’s credentials as a manager to be super critical of Arteta?

What are the credentials of any of us to do the same? It's opinions. Some more reasoned than others but so long as they have reasoning (that aren't click bait related), they're valid.

QuincyAbeyie

Sicario2 Arsenal super legend or not, what are Henry’s credentials as a manager to be super critical of Arteta?

You don't need to be a manager to be critical of Arteta. You've been critical of Arteta. You've been praising managers. All of us have said their opinions about football stuff without being PL managers.

Mirth

Sicario2 next time you present an opinion you better certify it with a quote from Ancelotti or Guardiola

Qwiss

Sicario2 Can Henry stand in Arteta’s shoes with the amount of pressure, spotlight and expectations you have being the boss of one of the biggest clubs in Europe? I doubt it.

Hard to say, maybe if we gave him 3 seasons of failure to figure it out he might.

Sicario2 Arteta and Cesc will have greater managerial careers than the Frenchman.

Cescs done nothing. But look we get it, you love Cesc, you love Mourinho and you hate on Henry, Saka and Odegaard.

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