Qwiss definitely something to that, but as James and I were discussing on Wednesday, if you think about the atmosphere on the last day of the 21/22 season, when we'd blown top 4, it was absolutely incredible. I don't think that was just about post COVID celebration, I think that was recognition that despite having fucked it, we were on the way back.

Carragher needs to try and be a bit more subtle with his propaganda. Trying to ramp up the pressure before the Villa game...

One game away from a crisis? We're already in the crisis!

So the Prem is pretty much done now. Unless we turn things around against Newcastle it'll likely be another trophyless season.

There is a lot of football to be played and we still have a match against Liverpool, albeit at Anfield. Our attack looks too blunt though and this would be one of our worst season with respect to injuries. Even if Liverpool falter, I just can't see us taking advantage. Liverpool have dropped points recently and we still couldn't close in.

The project isn't making sense
Not signing a striker or attacker in the summer and not doing it again with Saka and Jesus injured.
Relying on Partey at RB even though that experiment has failed multiple times.
Subbing Sterling on for Martinelli in a game you have to win.
The slow ponderous football , maybe not this game but overall this season.

title rice is definitely over. even though there's lots of points up for grabs, we're locked in to playing the same way for the rest of the season, which means results like today's will keep happening.

Difference is that Liverpool aren't prone to losing games this season. They grind out draws or destroy teams. We're not winning every single game for the rest of the season so we should admit the league is over. It sucks because this was our best chance in the last 5 years but it is the reality. Liverpool could lose their best player and still grind out a draw.

Owners don't want to win all that much.

I do agree that the Kroenkes care less for success than fans, and less than Arteta and the players.

I would dispute the idea they care less than other owners. They’re likely more than happy that we’re back to being “respectable” and they’ll certainly be happy with CL footy. More than that, it’s just icing on an already massive cake for them.

The money we've spent the last five years, largely without CL football suggests ambition. Whether we've invested that money efficiently or not is another matter.

Sicario2 - Tier 1 that's definitely not how managing spend works.

We've only won more than 2 matches in a row twice this season in the EPL. Our consistency is not good enough.

Don Pacifico managing spending is not what we need right now. No PSR problems at all, its purely down to the will of the owners to do what it takes.

So what are we now - two points behind where we were last season after the same round of matches?