• The Arsenal
  • Arsenal v Man Utd Jan 12th 3 PM KO - FA Cup 3rd round

Qwiss we need to start stabbing people until it goes away.

Let's start with putting the knife into Spurs on Wednesday

lorddulaarsenal Rumours Jesus has done his ACL

Are our boys competing in a morbidity Olympics?

DiabyKungFu Wenger must have gone down to the crossroads in 2002.

You could just sense it when we started missing those chances that we weren't gonna win the game, sickening stuff.

In fairness you could sense it when we went into the season without a centre forward in the squad. There was never going be any outcome other than what's happening now.

    invisibleman18 I hear you and I don't disagree that we clearly needed front line reinforcement. But I also want to dispute the notion it was as big a fuck up as is being made out.

    Full disclosure, I wanted us to sign forwards this summer and was disappointed we didn't. But additionally, I think with how many goals we scored and the points tally we achieved, it was probably a calculated risk. A risk that didn't pay off but it wasn't as idiotic as some have suggested.

      Don Pacifico I understand this argument but I also think it was a bigger risk overall not a it might go our way you are gambling that players who have not been able to consistently deliver based on their career are suddenly going to do that.

      I think that's not a sensible approach personally you should be planning with the kind of output seen for such players over the last 3 years. Is Martinelli going to deliver that one great season or is he going to be in line with the last 2 we've seen.

        awooga83 I think Arteta sees it holistically rather than at the output of individuals. The team had two seasons showing it was capable of scoring goals which gives him belief in the system. The problem this season is that the system has completely broken down, exacerbated by the various absences we've suffered throughout the last 5 months.

          In football, the solution is always to buy more players.

            Coombs there is also the option that the manager works with what he has, adapts his system based on what squad he has, changes his approach and makes the players better. Like say Hansi Flik at Barcelona...but don't think there is any chance that happens here.

              HomeSteak that can only happen in a manager's first season

              Don Pacifico but the individuals, at least attacking wise, collectively contribute. It's you have question marks about pretty much every attacker bar Saka( and even he isn't a 25 goal player) I think you should be alive to that. It's like the thing about highest tally of goals yes but even last year we blanked in too many games. That sould have been something we were aware of and looking to improve otherwise your just deluding yourself

                • Edited

                Don Pacifico scoring 5 more goals than you need to win one game and then scoring 2 more less than you need to win the next game shows a +4 goal difference, but only 3 points. The only statistical average that really matters is points per game. The goals scored column is meaningful, but it doesn't count for much unless you're tied on points.

                What depth and balance across the front line give you are potential solutions in difficult games. That's how you convert losses into draws and draws into wins. Raw goals-scored doesn't actually say much about this, because it counts them all equally instead of weighting them by their contribution to points earned.

                  Coombs — fully agree.

                  I’d go even further to look at the likelihood of scoring those goals (again) when planning.

                  Take this year for example, we’ve been winning games due to scoring at an unsustainable rate from corners/set pieces. In turn, Arteta seems to have been passive on addressing our front line’s ineffectiveness.

                    Havertz's wife apparently sharing some vile threats that were sent to her/ their family after the game. Shame on some of these Arsenal fans.