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samthegooner

Cunha for anything more than 50m is a mistake for me. We’ve got big targets in the summer and splashing that cash on a player who isn’t a LW or ST is a mistake to me. If the option is him at that price or Kubo at a similar price, I’d rather keep the powder dry to ensure we have as much financial power as possible in the summer when bigger names may be more readily available.

Claudius

samthegooner Wolves bought Cunha for £50m just eighteen months ago. They’re a clever club. That £75m will be them being kind. He’s one of the best forwards in the league and this Bukayo situation has left us in a crisis

At that kind of price, we just need to suck it up.

Bernard Woolley

I'd say screw it - the season's done. There's no way that we have a shot at winning the league and we will probably finish Top 4 anyway. Why overpay in the winter for no reason for an average jack of all trades when we can refocus and prepare better for the summer window. Let's see whether Saka is back in proper shape post February and we can then decide in the summer whether we need a LW and RW or only the former.

lorddulaarsenal

Season isn’t done. We need more firepower for the cups

HomeSteak

flobaba

Gazza M

good. spending 70-80m on cunha would've been a mistake

Don Pacifico

Agree with the consensus - Cunha is an exciting player but the price and the context of our season make him a less appealing prospect. Whilst I don't think we're out of it, £75m off doesn't feel a good allocation of resources.

Claudius

£70-75m (a number I made up btw) sounds like a lot of money. But what are the alternatives folks have?

QuincyAbeyie

Claudius We're not title challengers this season, so signings are only important if we're afraid to lose out on top 4.

Claudius

QuincyAbeyie so the second place team has given up on the league on January 5th? Am I reading this correctly?

In any case, you always say Arteta should’ve bought more forwards. So you’re saying he should wait again til the summer? No need to reinforce for anything, including Champions League?

Gazza M

QuincyAbeyie pretty much. the summer fucked us. we're out of the title race, and there's no signings available in January that will get make a difference in the CL either. we're better off trying for a clever/value deal in january and keeping powder dry for the summer and fixing the forward line once and for all

Bernard Woolley

Claudius Yes, exactly. We are not winning anything meaningful this season (I don't really count the FA Cup for some reason), so not sure what we need to reinforce for. Screwing it up over the last 3 years of transfer windows and simultaneously overplaying your most important player and then trying to rectify the inevitable injury through an overpriced purchase of a half-assed solution in the winter is doubling down on the original screw-ups. Let's fix this properly in the summer (unless we can truly get one of our first-choice targets in the winter in which case we go for it even though they won't bed in and contribute anything this season). I'm glad we got rid of Edu and now we need a proper DoF.

QuincyAbeyie

Claudius

For a stats-based guy, you sure are willing to reduce the situation to "2nd vs 1st" and not talk about points difference and games played. I do however agree that the CL would be a reason to sign someone, that's a good point.

I'm not sure why those who were adamant we didn't sign anyone else this summer because nobody were available are now recommending names that shouldn't be more available now than they were then.

Claudius

Bernard Woolley sorry. This is hyperbole. You talk about years of screwing things up but we literally had the best record over the last twelve months. It’s hard to take a rant seriously when it lacks any perspective. We have made mistakes but to suggest we’ve spent the last few years screwing things up when actually we became the only team to go 5 years in a row improving points and finished 2nd twice, and sit 2nd in league - come on, man!

Claudius

QuincyAbeyie I know that the probability isn’t 50:50. Probably closer to 80:20 at this point. But if you look at this league you’ll see that we’ve had variance against us and variance for Pool. If there is a reversal of that trend, we catch these guys by season’s end.

On the other competitions, Real Madrid, Bayern, and Liverpool are our truly strong competitors in Europe right now. A lot of other would be competitors look down. I would like us to take that opportunity seriously. Along with the domestic cups. I like trophies. I want us to win some to reward the boys for being good for so long.

Bernard Woolley

Claudius I was specifically responding to the point on not bringing in sufficient forwards. Not sure we can call our track record on that count (on either quality or quantity) "the best" over the last [x] years (pick your number). My only point was that, even for those making the argument that we have under-indexed on recruitment in the forward positions (as I do), the remedy cannot be bringing in the best of the available lot at a 50% premium to any reasonable value for a season which, in my view (of course I acknowledge that you may differ from that view) is likely a washout now.

Tam

Claudius that’s nice to reflect on, but almost completely irrelevant. Picking us as being the form team of 2024 also smacks of the ‘Wenger would have won the league if it ran from January to December’ chat we used to get. It ignores that we had an almost perfect and likely unrepeatable second half of 2023/24, and very imperfect and hopefully unrepeatable first half of 2024/25.

I’m sure Arteta and the players won’t give up when it comes to the league, but for the miracle to happen we need a combination of several factors to go our way. And it also assumes Liverpool will collapse and allow us in - not beyond happening, but not likely.

The general talk of setting the league aside and being contenders in the Champions League is just baffling to me.

Did nobody watch the game yesterday where we struggled against 10th place Brighton, or the many others this season where we’ve been ropey and struggled for creativity?

If I indulge the expected response of injury/fitness disruption and assume we have a fit and firing team, is everyone ignoring our recent European form where we’ve looked technically inferior and lost the midfield battle to more technically sound teams? I don’t see what’s changed since then, I don’t see the development or improvement in our team that raises us to the level of taking the next step.

Seems like we’re pinning hopes on Saka and Odegaard performing miracles rather than any sane notion of building a capable and competent term, and more generally, seeking to excuse and explain away our issues by focusing on external factors rather than things within our control to change.

(Not all directed at you Claudius)

jones

Claudius he's not moving he said it himself earlier this week. That Egyptian article got refuted by loads of German sources as well

Claudius

jones thanks Jonesy. How’s life?

jones

Claudius outside of Arsenal good brother Claude, what about you where you at these days?

jones

Gazza M there's no reason to assume we'll fix anything next summer when we didn't tend to the big holes in our last two summer windows. Don't think Edu was doing a stellar job but him leaving certainly won't help things

Qwiss

Nah we need signings. This is work that should have been done last summer. Leaving more and more to do this summer will just mean more gaps in the squad.

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