In both cases I can't see why Taylor would be awarding a red and relying on the VAR to overrule rather than awarding a yellow or waving play on, with the option of the VAR increasing any penalty on review.

There's a skill deficit among top flight referees. Not sure how to fix it unless Howard Webb is cleared out first.

  • Qwiss

  • Post #140

jones I can see how you could call it a late challenge but that only works if you discount the contact.

      • jones

      • Post #141

      Qwiss I see how you could do that theoretically but that seems to me like another of those "technically" rules that are never applied in reality

        8 days later

        Last two games (pen v Utd and last night it wasn’t a corner for our first goal) we got very favourable decisions.

        Despite the theory of that ref’s are against us, over a season, these things cancel out as seen in the last two games.

        A pen is a very favorable dedicion because it's a goal about 75 % of the time or something like that. A corner isn't a very favorable decision just because we scored after the fact.

          We'd be better off facing six corners in lieu of each of Rice, Trossard and Saliba's reds, as well as the penalty on Saliba for winning a defensive header. Give Brighton, City, whoever those twenty-four corners. We'd probably be leading the league if it happened.

          9 days later

          This lot needs to be investigated. Wire tapped , hacked , spied on , the full works. Michael Oliver and Webb especially

          Not even Shearer thinks this was a red. This was the worst of the lot this season.

          • JazzG

          • Post #150

          It is just blatant corruption at this point, the refs are showing they can do what they like and there is nothing we can do about it.

          • naz

          • Post #151
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          Anyone who says this shit evens itself out over the year is blind. We are targeted, even Stevie Wonder could see it.

          This is what sky wrote
          "Michael Oliver doesn't like to "impact games negatively by overreacting" apparently. That's what PGMOL chief Howard Webb said last season when Mateo Kovacic avoided a red card for Man City at Arsenal. Did he need to send Lewis-Skelly off there?"

          Here's another stat for you
          "He handed out a red to arsenal in 15% of their games. 1.8% for Liverpool. 0% for City in 50 games"

            naz he clearly has an issue with us. I don’t mind getting red cards. It the MLS, Martinelli, Trossard reds are all just rubbish. I used to not pay attention to the referee talk until this season but this dastardly cabal has now shown its hand

              A scan of all the newspapers and channels shows broad support. Only independent has seemed ambivalent.
              https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/13296511/five-issues-with-myles-lewis-skellys-red-card-in-arsenals-win-at-wolves-premier-league-hits-and-misses

              United appealed Bruno rat face Fernandez’s red card last year. We should do the same. And find a third party to start broadcasting all the times Michael Oliver has punished us so we can avoid him.

                Lewis-Skelly made a snap decision to halt the counterattack and trip Doherty, catching the defender around his ankle. It was a touch crude but not high, forceful or malicious, a tactical foul if ever there was one. Oliver had a prime view of the incident and immediately informed the officials he planned to pull out a red card. Then he flashed it at Lewis-Skelly. Just as curious was the VAR Darren England’s swift decision to back Oliver’s call.

                From the Graun match report. The journos know something's up now. Michael Oliver has finally succeeded in making PGMOL the story.

                  Match of the Day have been quite unanimous in their condemnation of the decision. Comes to something when Michael Oliver's image is the first one they show in the analysis.

                  Claudius
                  These refs operate with such impunity. It's unbelievable.

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