We've appealed the red card.
PGMOL
Friends in the media are still trying their hardest to control the narrative. A lot of old school media struggling with social media in that respect, they can't control the messaging any more.
Just remember, all they had to do was just say they got it wrong and they would look into this and overturn the red card. Instead they've chosen to go down this path, the rot run deeps.
there's a few things going on here which show how people are not moving forward with technology. referees have always made mistakes. that's okay.
but the bigger thing is we have VAR and we are not using it properly in england. we are using it to rubber stamp decisions instead of giving the referee an extra set of eyes and leverage.
then there is the media issue. 10 years ago it was easier to control narrative with newspapers and tv. but ideas are more democratized with the web.
I said it in the other thread, lets see how this shakes out. It could be either swept under the rug, or it can cause a major overhaul. When every player, coach, pundit and many ex-referees say that it was never a red card in a million years (and wasnt even the worst tackle in that game), doubling down on it was not a good idea. Good for MLS and the club though. Glad to see he will be available for the next 3 games.
USArsenal you can’t have a child traumatized like this. I’m glad he can stand up tall knowing he isn’t at fault.
They usually want to cheat us against Manchester City. Remember Gabriel, Kovacic, Trossard. We could go on. Wonder what they’ll cook up. Next Kai Havertz handball will be deemed deliberate and a red card offense.
We need a whistleblower, on of their own to expose them. Otherwise they'll continue to do shit
I'm not inclined to go down the systematically corrupt road, although these last few days have not been a good look for the PGMOL.
But I do think Michael Oliver has given us enough dodgy red cards that we can now say he is at the very least unconsciously biased against us. The stats are stark and I think the MLS dismissal is a textbook example of this unconscious bias.
He was behind the incident and so did not have a great view of it, so he guessed and gave himself no time to think about the decision (you'd think removing a player would require at least a degree of thought), he reacted emotionally and not logically.
Darren England's application of the VAR process is the thing that concerns me, although I'm sure that when we hear the audio, it will all be very plausible. Especially given the still image @flobaba referred to previously.
I just can't see how he can have justified a decision, with all the images available to him, that almost to a man, the entire football world has been utterly shocked by.
The speed with which the appeal was upheld seems pretty telling, but I don't know if that's standard.
Also, just to say on the point of how long it took the red card to come out and be cleared by VAR, it would be nice if the same level of scrutiny applied to disallowing a goal was applied to removing a player from the pitch.
Having a bias is a form of corruption for a referee.
I'm being totally serious when I say this: if I was a professional ref and was asked to referee a Man Utd game, I would refuse. There's not a chance I could referee that game fairly.
Tierney, England, Kavanaugh and Oliver are objectively anti-Arsenal. Their performances have shown they cannot be neutral in an Arsenal match. Even if its existence is not made public, a competent body should analyse refereeing performances for irregularities such as bias.
This isn't only for the benefit of Arsenal. There'll be refs that are biased against Liverpool or Newcastle or Villa. Man City are unscathed because they may be paying off refs and they're a small club so no-one outside of north London and Liverpool feels strongly about them.
biases aren't corruption. we all have biases. i have to recruit people at my job. every interview i walk into, i look into the screen or across the table and despite all my bias training i have already formed a rich opinion of the candidate in front of me - and it has an impact on how i will assess them. it helps that i have a structured interview format and scoring rubric, but those biases still linger. this stuff isn't corruption. it's just a hazard of the job that you need to actively manage against.
That analogy doesn't work in this context. A referee's only job is to officiate a match between two teams as a neutral.
Having a bias against one of the teams displays a lack of integrity and honesty, which is the definition of corruption.
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Biases aren't a choice. We all have them and are blind to them for the most part. I'm sure referees are trained on mitigating them but it's not a form of corruption.
Corruption is a choice and implies some form of illegality or law/rule breaking.
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daredevil not all biases are the same. Maybe the biases of the referees made them blind to on-field decisions being wrong, or maybe they disagree with the on-field decision, but let it pass because he's their colleague and they want to support him. The latter is on purpose, and if you don't think that's happening in the league then I guess we'll just have to disagree.
Claudius consciously biased!
If a referee is unconsciously biased, then he's an idiot. It's like excusing a judge for having unconscious bias and putting black kids away while letting white guys go free for the same offenses. Bullshit. Their job is to be conscious of their biases and to manage them. If they can't, bin 'em.
FWIW, there's no way I can ever be convinced they they have any unconscious biases. They know exactly how they feel.
One individual could be unconsciously biased but an entire organisation...? It's not like Michael Oliver is the only one with issues.
They appointed a Liverpool fan to ref our game v City
Tierney on VAR as well - what could go wrong?
If anything, I think they will all be too anxious to do anything overly dramatic.
Only issue is that it might allow animals like Kovacic license to do some gangster shit
RocktheCasbah I think they know they are being watched and under scrutiny so you'd think/hope they'd wait a while before they can screw us over. But you never know with this lot.
JazzG I just hope payback doesn’t start this Sunday v City ffs
RocktheCasbah should give us some calls before he heads to Celtic the following day
This guy wished he never wrote this article. Doesn’t know what backlash he will get from Arsenal Twitter who are a force to be reckoned with:
They can't hide from their past.
Sicario2 - Tier 1 He's deleted his tweet, Arsenal Twitter remains undefeated.
Couldn't see the content. What was in there
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This one is about rules in general: I think the handball rule as currently written is unfairly biased in favor of defenders. Gives them the benefit of doubt that is not afforded to strikers.
If a ball accidentally hits a defender whilst he or she is defending in his/her box, it should 100% be a penalty. Regardless of context, regardless of where the arms were located. Up or down or behind the back. Matters not.
For me that's the equivalent of what is currently going on with handball as pertains to strikers in the box.
flobaba If a ball accidentally hits a defender whilst he or she is defending in his/her box, it should 100% be a penalty. Regardless of context, regardless of where the arms were located. Up or down or behind the back. Matters not.
No way that would be terrible. The CL is much better on hand ball than the PL because it isn't overly strict. Players shouldn't be punished for having arms.
Arm rule on goals is so stupid. Fabs watch the game for goals. Goals are so hard to come by. What do we do? Add an arbitrary rule that makes goals even harder to get?!!
Gary Neville has now been given the go ahead to get involved.
I regret that Vieira and Keown never throttled this guy and put him out of the football landscape permanently.
Why does anyone care what Gary Neville thinks? He showed us at Valencia what he knows about football.
His best mate Roy Keane doesn't even take him seriously.
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Claudius He has tried to hide it but sometimes the mask slips, he still hates us. Keane has spoken about this before but they absolutely hated us. He thought out ceiling was top 4, he thought Arteta's ceiling was that. They can't stand the fact they are sitting on tv while he manages a top club. That isn't through choice, like @Qwiss says that is due to him being fucking shit as a coach.