Man City v Arsenal - Sunday September 22nd 1630 PM GMT KO: Page 34 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

Man City v Arsenal - Sunday September 22nd 1630 PM GMT KO

lorddulaarsenal

FEBravo yeah I get folk saying it not nice to take glee from it but Rodri is a cynical piece of work so I’m like “ha ha”

lorddulaarsenal

City go to Newcastle next weekend - can see Newcastle doing them

Claudius

So many people I know are being duped by the media around this City game. I will be furious for a while. Probably the angriest I’ve been about an opponent since the pizzagate era. And I don’t even respect them as an opponent. Just irritated by their cheating and sense of entitlement.

Mirth

Claudius So many people I know are being duped by the media around this City game.

the dark arts nonsense is a concerted effort to distract from the fact that 11 v 11 we were ahead and in the ascendancy

JazzG

Mirth When we getting made mugs of they said we were a bit wet behind the ears and now suddenly we are the masters of the dark arts,

Claudius

The player gives the referee no choice but to book him

Big Willie

Claudius yeah the Saudi narrative doesn't add up, the UAE one last winter does. But hopefully the Saudi gig results in Newcastle getting all the decisions against City next week. Now wouldn't that be something. Sky Sports and the City players would deffo make a thing about it were that to happen.

Big Willie

Hope we dark art the shit oit of them and anyone else if it means we win. Fuck the lot of them.

Claudius

Less interested in the Saudi bit. Just the Doku video. Man walked up in front of the referee. Kicked the ball away, delaying a restart. Nothing. Trossard kicks the ball away 0.8 seconds after the referee blows his whistle. Go miss one and a half games of football, lad. It’s infuriating. Same referee. Same game. He needs to be internally consistent.

RocktheCasbah

I genuinely don't think the Doku incident is anything like the Trossard one, Doku literally knocks the ball back to where the free kick is supposed to be taken from.

Tross had just smashed into Bernardo, which was a daft challenge to begin with (so subconsciously he was surely expecting a whistle), and then boots the ball away - and no, I don't think he was genuinely trying to play Martinelli in. Oliver is a cunt, but this was nuts from Trossard.

Gurgen

RocktheCasbah He booted it because he thought the half was over, which it was. Oliver just extended it with a few more seconds so he could send him off.

daredevil

RocktheCasbah

Not just that, Oliver is pointing to where the freekick should be taken and Doku kicks it in the general direction. It's completely different to Trossard who boots the ball away after the whistle had gone. The Szoboszlai decision last week is more akin to the Trossard one which Oliver didn't deem worthy of a yellow and is the more egregious example of inconsistency.

On reflection, none of this would have been an issue if Rice and Trossard weren't already carded. They were both stupid to go and do something questionable when they were on yellow cards, when everyone knows, you need to play on a tight rope there onwards.

Asterix

RocktheCasbah So I think as much as it's hard to take Michael Oliver's application of the laws, it's actually the laws of the game which are the problem.

In Aussie Rules the referee can give a 50m penalty for things such as delaying a restart or dissent. I think football should introduce something similar - move the free kick into the other teams half.

invisibleman18

Asterix They do a similar thing in rugby where they move it forward 10 metres for things like delaying or dissent.

RowJimmy

I've long thought that delayed throws and free kicks should result in a simple change of possession.

Big Willie

Or simply just add more time to counter some of the time lost. Either way a red card for that is shambolic. We've been sent of 3 times in just over a year so far. How many times has it happened in the PL over it's 30 something year existence?

kamikaze

Haven't been this furious about a match in a long time. Honestly not sure if PGMOL is this petty or if City has "persuaded" them to be helpful to them.

Rodri can get fucked. Remember he tried to take out Odegaard during a recent international break.

Haaland is a bitch. He can get fucked too.

So proud of the team. What an introduction by Calafiori. And MLS too, getting carded before his debut. Jesus had Bernardo on lockdown.

kamikaze

Oh yeah, if people are so concerned about time wasting as they are pretending to be, it's simple. Run the clock backwards from 45:00 and stop it when the ball is dead. No Fergie time, no time wasting, no bullshit red cards.

Claudius

kamikaze I like this new stat. Time the ball spent off field before goal kicks and throw ins. Nobody has ever collected this nonsense stat before. Now it’s being waved at us to explain how we played 8 minutes in a goalless second half with the highest time in play.
If I see that ref, I’ll smack him across the face as Vieira did Anelka.

Asterix

Nice to hear from you kami.

Hopefully everyone has calmed down a bit and can enjoy this from Barney Ronay - I always get a chuckle from his writing.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/sep/23/arsenal-defending-beauty-conspiracy-manchester-city-rodri

I liked this part

"Somehow being good at defending is being cast as controversial or nihilistic, even some kind of fatal hubristic flaw. True, Arsenal celebrate defending more than any other team, to the extent that we can perhaps now look forward to a time when defenders start refusing to celebrate certain tackles and blocks out of respect for former clubs, and are hailed as “classy” as a result.

But it also seems odd to assume defending is not the absolute sandwich bread of elite football, or that being the best defensive team in the league is not a significant shift of power. The fact so many people consume football remotely or in clips is probably part of this. In the flesh, in the stadium, watching the full 90 minutes on a screen undistracted, high-class defending is one of most thrilling and engaging parts of sport.

Arsenal’s defending on Sunday afternoon wasn’t just beautiful to watch, every part functioning in concert, the right City players given space, the dangerous ones closed down, right up to the moment City cracked this code and managed to get Jack Grealish into the right spot. It is also the part that gives the rest of the game substance, that ennobles attacking moments and makes them robust, that made Erling Haaland’s goal and the work in creating it from Savinho so special, because it came against that defence. Take away this skill, wail over “the dark arts” too much and the spectacle will ultimately lose meaning."

Claudius

I imagine the next officiating edict will be around coming down hard on us for time wasting whenever our goalie goes to ground with the ball or we have a throw in or other set piece. The narrative is out there, so officials and North West pundits will just run with it.

Meatwad

Claudius
to think arsenal take their time when down a man. that is so fucking unheard of and weird. how dare they.

QuincyAbeyie

Raya will get a red for a late goalkick this season, won't he

Claudius

QuincyAbeyie Raya, Ben White, Gabriel. Just watch.

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