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Claudius

FEBravo agree that we didn’t do well on a lifecycle basis for Ramsdale. Sell a pre prime goalie and lose 30% on his acquisition price. Not great all things being equal.

Definitely goalie market and his wages need to be taken into account. However, don’t count it as 60-20. Raya is separate and continuing to yield a lot of value for us.

Will be interesting to see what happens to squad player salaries going forward. The guys who don’t regularly make it over 1000 minutes.

Qwiss

Don Pacifico I don't think £50m was ever realistic and would have valued him nearer £30-35m; to not even have a guaranteed £20m coming in is disappointing.

Exactly this.

Qwiss

Only 1 million on PL survival. Wonder how much of the other payments are caught up in unlikely scenarios like European qualification. And is there a sell on clause?

Claudius

Qwiss I doubt that the incentives would be unrealistic. The Lehman deal was structured as £3m guaranteed +2+2+1. We’ve apparently secured that full additional £5m already, based on appearances and Fulham staying up.

Qwiss

Claudius for Jens Lehman? 😆 Assume you mean Leno. That was another absolutely terrible sale BTW. Even with all the add ons Leno has been worth more for them.

On the bright side I did read that Ramsdale has a sell on clause. That's something.

Don Pacifico

Worth adding that we've ultimately made a loss on Ramsdale, not even accounting for inflation. That's really poor given he's been a good performer for us.

#rantover

daredevil

Don Pacifico

Poor would have been letting him go on a loan with no obligation.

Breaking even is a good deal given he was essentially demoted. I also don't think another club would have come in for him and are lucky that Southampton's first choice failed a medical.

The market dictates a players value and his lack of options was deafening.

Claudius

Qwiss one of these crazy Germans. I was thinking about Lehman because yesterday someone reminded me about how he bought the rights to the Invincibles trademark. But he actually did it to protect the players and staff from that squad and ensure they reap the rewards.

Clrnc

Qwiss it's wild seeing a top German international keeper sold 5m in his prime then see other youth keepers being traded for 15-25m and then they sit on benches. It was one of the worst sale I have seen

Qwiss

Claudius fair play. I'd rather they had it than Stan.

Burnwinter

Clrnc We should have been able to sell an England international that had great reputation for far higher

Perspectives. I'm ecstatic with that. It's great to get him off the books and it'll be great to see him playing again. Didn't think we'd crack £20m and this, finally, sets to rest a lot of my concerns about how it was all handled a year ago.

Burnwinter

Only concern now is why we've gotta immediately blow another £30m on another action figurine for Iñaki Caña 😆

RowJimmy

Clrnc
Leno insisted on staying in London. Sort of limits the market.

Clrnc

RowJimmy Nah we are different now. It's now quite clear Nketiah prefers to stay in London as well, but we held firm on our price and didn't let it go down. We are slightly better at sales these days

Don Pacifico

daredevil your last line is a truism but also a very passive way at looking at squad management. We have some agency managing these situations and we shouldn't pretend otherwise (eg.giving him a new contract and then benching him).

Also, we're not breaking even on his sale, we're making a loss (not even taking into account inflation).

Burnwinter

Clrnc We are slightly better at sales these days

We've done better due to focusing on it properly, I reckon. Good to see Edu coming through with these sales, he's had to learn the game and I'm happy with how we've done. Very glad if we're avoiding another season of head in hands regarding Smith Rowe and Ramsdale, it's an unaerodynamic nuisance.

Burnwinter

Don Pacifico Financially it's still disappointing, but £18m rising to £25m (albeit under slightly unlikely circumstances) with a possible sell-on clause is better than I've predicted. I was pretty convinced we wouldn't shift him at all till a day ago, so the situation looks far brighter today. The amount we're looking to shell out on Garcia reminds me of "two number ones" all over again however.

Claudius

Burnwinter once you buy better, it’s easier to sell better.

Asterix

He's not gone yet. Sounds like we won't let him go until we have a replacement. That makes sense.

Looks like we won't stump up the full fee for Joan Garcia - good - and are now looking at Neto.

Burnwinter

Claudius Once you sell better it's easier to sell better. No one doubts the quality of City's bench players. Win the league and see Emile and Eddie prosper at Fulham and Palace (or even Fabio at Porto) and our fringe players will become more valuable.

Don Pacifico

Claudius that was the theory but Ramsdale kinda disproves that...

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