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Claudius

flobaba it’s the right move. £27-34m for a player who has contributed nothing for over two years. Let him go get his mojo back.
You’d rather have sold than not sold. He isn’t a definite starter. We risk messing around and running down his contract. Would rather put that money towards a Califoiri or Merino who will get significant minutes

Burnwinter

I reckon @RocktheCasbah might feel this one:

naz

Remember when we were offered a straight trade between ESR and Upamecano before he moved to Bayern? I can't remember if that was before or after we signed Saliba. We dodged two bullets there

Claudius

naz Upamecano plays like a man on the cusp of taking a legendary dump

Mirth

mdgoonah41 could be appearance related. Which is sensible from Fulham’s side given ESR’s injury history

Qwiss

RocktheCasbah whether we are or not has nothing to do with getting rid of Smith-Rowe.

RocktheCasbah

Qwiss and that's why he's being sold mate.

Qwiss

flobaba I hope its not like selling Iwobi because we dropped to 8th for 2 seasons after he left. The problem there was that we didn't adequately replace him for years. In fact we didn't have someone decent where he played for us until he ESR broke through. This sale is only acceptable if we replace him with real quality and raise the level of the team this summer.

Qwiss

RocktheCasbah nah its not. He's being sold because he has value and Arteta doesn't believe him. Nothing to do with our overall level, there are worse players who remain at the club.

Qwiss

Claudius I hope that's what happens but fear we'll end up seeing Vieira being bang average instead.

DiabyKungFu

This is really an incredibly small amount of money for an elite prospect. Even if he is a very low level Premier League player 4 years from now, we're going to look ridiculously foolish for having "saved out" on £6m. Of course, I expect a lot of people to reach the opposite conclusion based off of paternalistic views of young people with highly in-demand skills rather than risk/reward analysis from the club's side.

goon

DiabyKungFu

He may well be a league one level talent though.

Not sure how much wisdom there is in assessing a 16 yr old based on 1 mins highlight reels, but he looks anything but elite to me, and maybe the club agrees. The U18 story would support this theory.

DiabyKungFu

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13689213/The-real-reason-Arsenal-starlet-Chido-Obi-Martin-leaving-worrying-exodus-set-continue.html

This report also says we wanted him to continue with the U-18 team next season instead of graduating to U-21. Huh!? Players have free will and it's totally possible for players to leave for reasons beyond the club's reasonable control. However, the reporting on this does make the club look like it genuinely mishandled this.

mdgoonah41

its insane to let him leave for 0 when the cost to keep him on a long term deal was less than £2m per season. they could have easily made that back in a sale 2-3 years from now if he doesnt break into our first team. its just bad asset management.

Claudius

mdgoonah41 that's literally not the logic.
1) we have a youth wage structure. this is a child that United want to take and pay almost as much as we pay ESR, a tenured first team professional. now we will have every kid thinking he can come and fight us for a massive wage
2) i posted elsewhere that is completely normal for kids to move around. even on our squad, our biggest name players have had 2 or 3 youth teams (see White, Saliba, Rice, Havertz, Odegaard etc.), so we should not be alarmist about kids leaving. Even if you look at big teams like City, they lost Garcia for nothing and Olise/Sancho for combined 16m pounds

DiabyKungFu

Claudius now we will have every kid thinking he can come and fight us for a massive wage

I would be more than happy to set the precedent that every single 16 year old who scores 32 goals at the U-18 level can get a £30000 per week contract. This "slippery slope" argument is just nonsense.

Qwiss

Claudius so should Lewis Skelly and Nwaneri not get proper salaries either? The reality is other clubs will pay them well so that's the market rate. We don't have silly flat wages at senior level, we assess each player individually. No reason the same can't happen with young players. Saying it's fine because players move around is nonsense. You are the one always talking about the business side being poorly run at football clubs, well this is an example of that. You want another young player who moved around? Omari Hutchinson, £20m we let just walk away.

Clrnc

Qwiss Was reported that Chelsea offered Omari Hutchinson 14k per week salary, while we are only willing to offer 8k or something.

mdgoonah41

Clrnc right this is where its insane to pinch pennies. thats literally like £300k per YEAR difference. if hutchinson would have flamed out and not developed, we could have sold him to some championship team for £2m in the worst case scenario.

for a club worth £2.5b (at a minimum) with £500m in revenue per year, its insane to pinch pennies at the youth level. we lose £70m on the pepe signing and move on to the next one, but we are going to lose 18 year old prospects who could develop into £30m+ players over a few hundred thousand pounds? its just bad business.

Mirth

Yep, youth recruitment is a long tail game. Will we be throwing good money at some average players? Yes. Will one or two star players recoup those costs? Also yes.

Clrnc

goon they wouldn't be offering 15k for him which is the highest youth we would have been paying if they think he isn't elite

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