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Arsenal Outs 2024

MistaT

Personally I think ESR is on the out because Arteta craves control of games, and ESR plays best in a too risky of manner/style. His pass and move capability is fantastic - and is what draws so many of us to ESR. But it's not how Arteta has us set up as it doesn't suit "Horseshoe/ControlBall".

RocktheCasbah

MistaT and it could absolutely be that as well. There's also Declan Rice being moved from the lone 6 to being one of the two 8s.

Everywhere you look in the team as it is currently set up, sadly for Emile he's not even second choice in any of the positions he can play.

RocktheCasbah

Qwiss Declan Rice and Bukayo Saka?

I get how upsetting it is to be seeing Emilie go, I just said to Jo it feels a bit like Arsenal are killing Bambi. I just don't think it's that surprising and, ultimately, if players with the quality that Smith Rowe has are now being deemed surplus to requirements then Arsenal are actually in a very good place.

Qwiss

RocktheCasbah Saka yeah. It's not surprising but that's more down to how he's been used than anything else. I don't buy the good place thing, there are worse players who remain because they are harder to sell

Panda

Very sad to see him go. Hope he has a great season at Fulham and helps take some points off our rivals. Think it's a good deal for all parties.

RocktheCasbah

Qwiss so we're not in a good place?

Qwiss

RocktheCasbah whether we are or not has nothing to do with getting rid of Smith-Rowe.

USArsenal

Shame that his career stalled, but the quality is clearly there. I think getting regular time at a team like Fulham is a great starting point to resurrect his career. If he stays fit, he will not stay at Fulham for long. That said, 27m+7m is a decent return for a player that hasn't played much for us the past 2 years. Sucks to lose a long serving academy player who is pretty good, but in the end, we will re-invest that in the team and it will go toward one of the other needs we have. Saka must be gutted though.

Claudius

USArsenal at this level we can’t be too sentimental. 3 seasons back Zinchenko came and he was a massive step up in what we are able to do. With Calafiori now on the team, we have someone who gives us offensive AND defensive qualities for the first time at left back. Suddenly, Zinchenko is dispensable. And this is the case for ESR and everyone else. This isn’t Wenger’s beach resort. You need to justify your place. Or risk walking

Burnwinter

USArsenal I think getting regular time at a team like Fulham is a great starting point to resurrect his career. If he stays fit, he will not stay at Fulham for long. That said, 27m+7m is a decent return for a player that hasn't played much for us the past 2 years.

Happy with the fee, the base is about what I thought and the add-ons are gravy. If Smith Rowe plays and stays fit, Fulham can turn a profit on him moving back towards the elite in a couple of years. If not, there'll be no argument he should have stayed. I'm looking forward to the cheers if he starts at the Emirates in April.

lorddulaarsenal

Shame he’s going. Was just starting to get secure enough on the ball to fit better than he had.

That said it probably creates space for Nwaneri who is twice the player

Claudius

lorddulaarsenal these two kids are special. Sooooo good. We will clear a path for them. Hopefully, both succeed.

lorddulaarsenal

This is a shame

Don Pacifico

lorddulaarsenal we really don't need farewell IG posts from lads who haven't even played for our reserves. Don't know if it's something their agents make them do or if there's just an inflated sense of their own significance.

Claudius

lorddulaarsenal it’s sad. It’s fine. One thing not acknowledged enough is the amount of movement in youth football. I quickly looked at our starting lineup last season, and this what I pulled up for youth careers. Only 3 of the 10 players has been at one club, and only 1/10 was an Arsenal youth. And it’s similar if you browse Liverpool and City. Very dynamic.

White: Southampton, Brighton
Saliba: Bondy, Montfermeil, St Etienne
Gabriel: Avai
Zinchenko: capartia, Illichivisk, Donetsk
Rice: Chelsea, West Ham
Jorginho: Hellas Verona
Odegaard: Strømsgodset, Castilla
Saka: Arsenal
Martinelli: Corinthians, Ituano
Havert: Mariadorf, Aachen, Leverkusen

Qwiss

Claudius I hope that's what happens but fear we'll end up seeing Vieira being bang average instead.

mdgoonah41

its basically just £27m right? i think the add ons are for success in cup competitions/the league, so, its just £27m. which is still more than i thought we'd get

Mirth

mdgoonah41 could be appearance related. Which is sensible from Fulham’s side given ESR’s injury history

flobaba

Qwiss no more depressing than Iwobi's sale was. And that ended up being the right decision. ESR is at a similar level as Iwobi was when we let him go.

Claudius

flobaba it’s the right move. £27-34m for a player who has contributed nothing for over two years. Let him go get his mojo back.
You’d rather have sold than not sold. He isn’t a definite starter. We risk messing around and running down his contract. Would rather put that money towards a Califoiri or Merino who will get significant minutes

Qwiss

flobaba I hope its not like selling Iwobi because we dropped to 8th for 2 seasons after he left. The problem there was that we didn't adequately replace him for years. In fact we didn't have someone decent where he played for us until he ESR broke through. This sale is only acceptable if we replace him with real quality and raise the level of the team this summer.

Burnwinter

I reckon @RocktheCasbah might feel this one:

naz

Remember when we were offered a straight trade between ESR and Upamecano before he moved to Bayern? I can't remember if that was before or after we signed Saliba. We dodged two bullets there

Claudius

naz Upamecano plays like a man on the cusp of taking a legendary dump

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