Arteta talks about both of them in very positive terms. I just don't think he trusts them enough to play them, or trusts the other starters enough to be able to 'carry' them.

Qwiss sorry. Was referring to Vieira. Gunnerblog mentioned this a few weeks back. Of course with a lot of things, we can only go by what we see on matches. We have no clue what’s happening the other 5 days

      Claudius that makes sense. You can tell who he favours at any given moment based on who he gives the minutes to. We should never have signed Vieira anyway, all it did was split minutes between the 2 so neither got enough to push on. May as well let both go at this stage if Arteta isn't going to use them and give all their minutes to one new signing or Nwaneri.

        Just an awful awful player, hope he leaves.

        Remember how much we loved him 2 season ago?

        This is gonna be a summer of lots of noise, I feel, especially with the Euros about to start.

        We need to clear out some of these players who will never be more than subs for us (and sparsely used subs at that). If we can actually make some money from them, that will help fund the real targets we should be going after

        Would be absolutely gobsmacked if we got £40m for Ramsdale. It's rumoured that Newcastle have already backed off and moved for Trafford instead.

        £10m for Tierney is dirt for a good footballer, it's a shame he's gone to seed on the Arsenal vine. Selling Vieira for anything would be fine by me. If he remains he, like Tierney, will only be worth less and less.

        Would be good if we could bring in an encouraging signing before the Euros kick off. I wonder if that Šeško transfer deadline talk was in any way real, doubt it.

          Burnwinter I wonder if we can re-integrate Tierney in the squad. He was never a bad player just not Zinchenko. It makes more sense to have him than ship him out for that amount.

              Nope. He was a decent defender, but quite technically limited. Really no point in keeping these Cedric Soares types. Even if not immediately ready to push for a first team place, I would want to see young prospects like Kiwior in the squad, over older and injury prone players like Tierney.

                flobaba Yeah, well it sounds like we'd listen to offers for Kiwior too, and lots of rumors of Milan sniffing around for him. But i agree about Tierney. He was a decent stop-gap for us when we were pushing to get back to the top 4, but not someone who would ever play any kind of a major role in a title chasing side.

                  Cannon No one could doubt Tierney's application or quality, but Arteta doesn't play him and to be fair to Arteta, his attributes no longer fit our football. I'd rather he leave on a free than remain, because I've got some respect for Tierney.

                    How much would you guys pay for a 27 year old defender who is on £110,000? This season, he’s
                    played 20 La Liga games. Started 14 of those and was subbed out in 12. And he’s averaging over 20 games missed per season over the last 5 seasons due to a variety of injuries - hip, ankle, hamstring, abductor.

                    Clrnc you serious? A player who is on his last contract who is sick half the season, and half fit the other half of the season? You’d pay £25m?

                      HomeSteak somewhat concerning that Obi-Martin is set to leave. Seems to be a trend developing.

                          Qwiss Have read it is due to the rules being different abroad meaning they can sign players up to contracts when they're 16 whereas it is 17 here.

                              JazzG guess it's karma for the years we tried poaching Europe's youth talents.

                              On Obi-Martin, it's a shame if he goes but has anyone seen anything to suggest he's a top tier talent? Not sure I have yet.

                                  Don Pacifico I mean he's scoring an insane amount of goals. Hard to tell right now as he's only 16, he could be the next Jay Emaneul Thomas but he could also be the next superstar striker. Its a shame we don't get to see how it unfolds here.

                                      Qwiss yeah, I've seen the goals but looks like he may be benefitting from his physique in that age group. Agree that it's a shame not see if we can harness that into something more.