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Gazza M

Sicario2 he was excellent for 2 seasons running, and is having a tough season interrupted by injury. outside of man city, there's no attacking mids in the league that are relentlessly consistent year on year. you'd think he'd get the benefit of doubt by now

lorddulaarsenal

Odegaard strikes me as a nearly man.

When it comes to the crunch he doesn’t make telling contributions.

Burnwinter

lorddulaarsenal Odegaard strikes me as a nearly man.

As in "nearly the best two-way creative player in world football"?

Claudius

I remember people used to say the same of Iniesta. And he was better than Odegaard. If he hadn’t won all those titles with Pep, he would’ve been dismissed as a dribbling fool by many

lorddulaarsenal

Don’t think so - he was a big reason for those title wins and provided a high amount of key output

Claudius

lorddulaarsenal he didn’t actually. In those days, there were no advanced metrics. You just goals and assists. If you didn’t watch the games you wouldn’t know what he was contributing. Messi, David Villa, Fabregas, Henry etc were the goals/assists guys. Iniesta kept things ticking.

QuincyAbeyie

Claudius When Øde plays well we win by several goals, and if we win by several goals his contributions aren't telling because we don't need them when we win by several goals. It's the vicious circle of a creative hub of a team.

Pepe LeFrits

Plenty of time for his game to develop but at the moment Ethan looks like a front three player than a middle three player. I'm not sure he's quick enough to nail down a front three spot though so maybe he'll be developed into an 8/10. Reminds me of Wilshere in that regard a bit.

Segway

I think Ethan needs to be as close to goal as possible with his finishing ability. Arteta's idea of turning him into a striker seems good to me.

Qwiss

Gazza M that's putting it mildly. I could understand people who don't watch us every week having this kind of limited understanding of Ode but if our own fans don't rate him it'd make you question their understanding of the game altogether.

Sicario2

Qwiss not everything is black and white. Some may rate him but just don’t think he is world class.

Let’s see what he does on Sunday, usually has quiet games v city.

Qwiss

Sicario2 you said Saka wasn't world class too.

Sicario2

Qwiss Saka is a lot more consistent and has proven it a lot more in big games domestically and Europe than Ode (appreciate they play in different positions).

Burnwinter

Saka can play anywhere as he's proven. Nwaneri either needs to learn to play elsewhere, or to play so well in Saka's position that we try something else with Saka. Either of those things happens, we're in great shape with the two of them.

I'd love to see Nwaneri learn left 8. Being strong on his left foot would be no disadvantage there.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Burnwinter I'd love to see Nwaneri learn left 8. Being strong on his left foot would be no disadvantage there.

Being Calafiori's assist machine!

Burnwinter

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert Or Sesko's ...

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Burnwinter you and I both know it'll be Havertz and the husk of Jesus next season too.

MistaT

Odegaard has created more scoring chances than any other player in the league over the last few seasons. Calling him a "nearly man" or questioning his influence only suggests we don't have the right players (forwards) around him, not that he can't do it.

My only concern with him was that he went hiding vs Liverpool multiple times two seasons back. He addressed that last year with far better performances.

Doc

Not fussed where he puts them but get Saka, Ethan and Ode the pitch at the same time and real good shit will happen.

Having said that, would really like to see Ethan and Odegaard as the 2 attacking mids, at least in the easier game... having a 'functional' 8 all the time can get pretty dull.

GooneriC

Problem with Odegaard is he can create more scoring opportunities for himself but he seems to lack a killer instinct. A player of his quality should take more shots and score more goals. He needs to add that threat to his game

MistaT

GooneriC -- I do think this is a fair concern.

Two seasons ago he was far too passive in attacking the central areas (on top and in the box). He improved on that last season, and his goal count flourished. This year, looks like he's back to his safe zone in the right channel, where he rarely scores from.

I do think part of that is down to his lack of strength and athleticism. He clearly needs to be in his peak shape to cover more ground, and when he's injured he immediately drops.

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