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🏆 Porto vs Arsenal, Estadio do Dragão Wednesday 21 February, 20:00 GMT

Clrnc

They talked a lot of shit before the match, Diogo Costa and co.

Now after the match Conceicao talked shit again

Time to do them 1 month later

This was basically their tactic throughout the match. Basically fell into their trap again.

Didn't even trouble 41 year old Pepe

Gurgen

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert Spot on. It's a very upsetting result for me because it shows how immature we are. Very little street smarts in this team. All game we have no shots and no-one on the pitch stands up and says let's change some things. No, we just keep barging into the keeper on set pieces like in England. This team also feel very overcoached, cannot think on its feet.

Burnwinter

Gurgen This team also feel very overcoached, cannot think on its feet.

Maybe, I mean we scored 20+ goals across five league matches prior to this so I guess someone's thinking alright.

I'm not surprised or worried by the result. Young team with minimal European experience, club returning to the top competition after a long furlough. It was heavier going in the 90s under Wenger.

I suspect we will beat them over the two legs, but even if we don't it's a sign we need to learn a few lessons.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Gurgen exceptionally disappointing wasn't it? Still a complete banter team in Europe, even with a manager who's regarded as tactically highly gifted.

We were completely strangled out of our game and some of our less technical players (Martinelli, Kiwior) showed their limitations.

HomeSteak

we will fuck them up in the second leg. 4-0

QuincyAbeyie

Burnwinter I suspect we will beat them over the two legs, but even if we don't it's a sign we need to learn a few lessons.

This goes for anything we'll fail to accomplish, but it's not much of a consolation.

Gazza M

Burnwinter I agree with this. I hoped we'd show some more street smarts, but for all its talent we have a predominantly green squad at this level. not surprised it was a bit of a shakedown, just mildly disappointed. the much vaunted invincible generation suffered more than one similar mugging in the CL. if we batter them at home this match will be forgotten

awooga83

I think the goals and results of the last few matches also could be some outliers themselves as I don't think we've necessarily had to face the some of the challenges that have caused us problems. I do think that Arteta still has shown that inability or unwillingness to change things in game when they haven't exactly worked.

Essentially these kinds of results are why I'm not there yet and thinking this team can win the big trophies we have to show we can get results from these games because that's what it'll take and until we do there will be questions about the team and Arteta.

Burnwinter

awooga83 I think the goals and results of the last few matches also could be some outliers themselves

Surely everyone does, as the alternative is imagining we're going to score an average 4+ goals a match forever …

QuincyAbeyie This goes for anything we'll fail to accomplish

You don't learn useful lessons from every failure. No one thinks we learnt, or thought we'd learn much from the 2006 final.

However, getting through despite a 1–0 away first leg pretty much defines the Champions League experience. The fitful performance is disappointing but ya know, let's see what happens at the Emirates.

QuincyAbeyie

Burnwinter You don't learn useful lessons from every failure. No one thinks we learnt, or thought we'd learn much from the 2006 final.

However, getting through despite a 1–0 away first leg pretty much defines the Champions League experience. The fitful performance is disappointing but ya know, let's see what happens at the Emirates.

I'm solely replying to the "even if we don't" part. I don't we we'd learn anything new we haven't learned in pretty much every knockout match we've played under Arteta since the FA Cup win in his first half season.

Qwiss

QuincyAbeyie we made the same mistakes we did in the Europa league last season so I'm not sure we've learnt much either.

Big Willie

QuincyAbeyie I'm solely replying to the "even if we don't" part.

Probably a typo which meant to say "even if we do", it would still be a lesson for us.

Burnwinter

QuincyAbeyie I'm solely replying to the "even if we don't" part.

Ah well, please reply to whole sentences. This practice of replying to individual clauses creates the conditions for labyrinthine pettifoggery.

QuincyAbeyie

Burnwinter I don't disagree that this can be a good experience if we go through, I'm just not into the whole "if we go out then at least we learned something" thing. 🙂

Big Willie

Burnwinter labyrinthine pettifoggery

😂

Can't lie, have to google a some of the shit you type to make sure you aren't fucking with us and making up words.

Qwiss

Panda

Qwiss Yeah it was a joke tbh. Hope they don't get away with it again at the Emirates.

JazzG

Qwiss Porto made it a very dirty game. We didn't play that well but Porto also went out of their way to break things up as often as possible.

I think Rice getting a booking so early didn't help, he knew they were diving around and could sense he was walking on egg shells avoiding a second yellow. We let Porto make the game dirty and ended up playing the game on their terms. I think this was a game where we missed someone like Zinchenko or Jorginho, someone who could have taken control of the game and made sure we played on our terms. Obviously we went into the game with a lot of injuries as well so didn't have as many options available.

Overall a poor performance but they got lucky with a goal so late on. Would have taken the 0-0 and been happy with that but a jammy goal for them right at the end. Our keeper also should be doing a lot better there.

Pepe LeFrits

Panda need the Emirates crowd to put pressure on the ref so that he can't allow that sort of shit again

Burnwinter

Big Willie Pettifoggery? 'Tis the common word down our way

daredevil

QuincyAbeyie

Playing to avoid defeat away from home in Europe in a knockout game is a good approach. The game should have been a tie, but Raya's short stature in end meant he was lobbed by a side footer. Regardless, I think we would struggle against their tactics both home and away, but I would give us the edge to score decisively at home. Now that we're a goal down, we need to score 2 more goals which makes it much more difficult. Either way, as long we turn up at home we should go through, but recent history is pitted against us.

QuincyAbeyie

daredevil Playing to avoid defeat away from home in Europe in a knockout game is a good approach.

What I disagree about with this philosophy is that it disregards the opposition - it's a one size fits all approach that's supposed to be good no matter who we face. I agree that it'd be a good approach against City and Real Madrid etc.

If we play our own game against a team we're much better than, we'll win more likely than not. Away to Porto isn't a tougher game than, say, at home to Liverpool. The approach we did use gave us a game where we had about 0,44 xG and they have a bit more than 1, so the only likely results were a draw or a loss.

Qwiss

JazzG they were dirty and sneaky but we should have been ready for that. Its Porto in the CL, thats basically the club culture.

I thought we should have started Jorginho but even he was really poor and nervy when he came on.

The late goals timing was lucky but they had the better chances during the game too and we were very lucky with that double miss in the first half.

daredevil

QuincyAbeyie

I'm not sure why you would think we are much better than them, and I disagree, playing away in Europe is considerably harder than playing a good team at home in a domestic tie. Honestly, you can count on two hands the number of times we played well away from home in 30 years.

If you assess the odds on winning away from home in European football, I bet it's significantly lower than winning at home, and given that these are two-legged affairs, it makes perfect sense to limit exposure away and maximise approach at home. Obviously, it only works if you win at home, and that hasn't always been the case for us in recent times.

If you want to look at the opposition, then Porto have been beaten at home by quite a few teams in recent years, so odds are probably higher on winning there. At the same time, our record away from home has been poor ever since we entered Europe, so the odds drop back down.

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