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2024 US Election

Gazza M

Qwiss yep. peter thiel was on his show recently and he just nodded along with everything
, despite thiel being a conspiracy-tards wet dream. no questions about palantir or its CIA connections, nothing about his connections to JD Vance. he nibbled at Epstein stuff but seemed to back off once thiels sweat levels spiked. he doesn't really hammer his guests often

Claudius

Gazza M why would Joe Rogan hammer a right wing nut job like Thiel.

jones

JazzG this woman made a career of putting black men in prison for life for peddling weed now she wants to encourage it. No wonder her family has disowned her.

Meatwad

jones
FUCK OFF WITH THIS BULLSHIT.

Claudius

Meatwad Asante sana.

jones

Meatwad why, you gotta be on team KamALa if you're anti Trump? Which part of what I said is untrue?

jones

Claudius kunyamaza kaka.

mdgoonah41

based on all the polls over the last week or so, and the scary reports about early voting in places like nevada, it looks like we are getting 4 more years of trump. not sure what will be left of this country after that, but i can virtually guarantee that dems will learn zero lessons, and they will actually move even further to the right than they already are. truly bleak, soul crushing stuff.

Claudius

mdgoonah41 sorry.
everyday through this process, it's more apparent just how right-leaning the US is.

JazzG

Not about leaning right or left it is about who the Democrats put forward. Democrats have known for years Biden should not stand again but buried their heads in the sand and only pushed him out when it was too late. I think that error has cost them the election.

The fact it is so close even with Kamala shows this election was winnable for the Democrats. Barring a miracle she is probably going to lose and imo the main reason for that is because she comes across as incompetent. The fact she got knocked out so early in voting 4 years ago I think shows the Democrat voters don't really like her but she has been forced upon them.

Meatwad

JazzG
what the fuck is up with you people always interjecting in our elections? it's like y'all sole purpose is to run my blood pressure up with your vile signaling. now she's incompetent?

yeah i'm done.

Meatwad

if kamala loses it will be because the electorate viewed her as too far to the left, so i don't know what lefty lessons you expect the democrats to get from that. every trump ad is about transgenders and the border. joe biden is probably the most progressive president we've had in a long ass time and kamala can't even run on his record because even the progressives won't give him any credit because it's not good enough. if there aren't enough voters on one side, you move in the direction of the voters. clinton and third way politics came about after the reagan revolution and getting trounced at the polls. losing elections, especially when the choice is CRYSTAL clear has consequences. you do not lose to donald trump and say "man we really need to move more to left" when the voters would be saying "he's right you know."

oh and she's not losing.

mdgoonah41

Meatwad i think the big issue is the people who wont vote at all. i think democrats waste too much time pandering to the people in the center. most republicans will never ever vote for a democrat, especially a pro choice democrat. they'll write in ronald reagan or some dumb shit like that. if you are trying to convince some 62 year old white man that he shouldn't vote for the guy who is now glorifying hitler, you are already losing imo. i cant believe there are any actual undecided voters in terms of preferring trump or kamala. they are undecided whether they are going to bother voting at all. democrats need to give these apathetic people a reason to go out and vote. and "trump is scary" isnt enough, i dont think. most people dont think about the well being of their neighbor or their community or anything else. they think about themselves. dems need to make a compelling case about how they will make their lives better. the actual policies clearly will make people's lives better. but most apathetic or non-engaged voters probably arent online reading policy papers. they need to be reached in better ways and pushed to actually activate and vote.

RocktheCasbah

Meatwad what the fuck is up with you people always interjecting in our elections?

I guess it's that the USA casts such a huge shadow across the world - and particularly here that we're all watching very keenly to see what happens.

I don't really understand how we've got to a place where January 6 happened (amongst many, many other things) and the guy that caused it to happen is not only not doing prison time for it, but seems to have an even chance of winning again.

I don't think, as Jazz does, that whoever gets in it'll be the same shit - Trump has signalled as much. Personally, I find the thought of him taking power again incredibly worrying - but I acknowledge it's not really my business.

Qwiss

Meatwad what the fuck is up with you people always interjecting in our elections?

The irony.

JazzG

Oh sorry do I need your permission now to talk about American politics? Calm down you take politics too seriously. Whatever side you get it is gonna be the same ol shit.

mdgoonah41

i personally dont think it has anything to do with her specific competence or ability. the democratic party in this country is fundamentally broken, both in terms of vision and execution. and it really has nothing to do with her specifically.

Claudius

RocktheCasbah I don't really understand how we've got to a place where January 6 happened (amongst many, many other things) and the guy that caused it to happen is not only not doing prison time for it, but seems to have an even chance of winning again.

That’s just the thing. Trump being elected and January 6 don’t just happen out of the blue. There’s at least two decades of lead up to this moment, if not more of an increasingly mobilized conservative movement. But there is a longer thread of other things like guns, racism, abortion which point to a country lean further to the right than many liberals care to admit.

JazzG

RocktheCasbah I don't think, as Jazz does, that whoever gets in it'll be the same shit - Trump has signalled as much. Personally, I find the thought of him taking power again incredibly worrying - but I acknowledge it's not really my business.

I think we should revisit this in 4 years time,

Mirth

Meh - this forum has threads on UK, French and German elections. The US isn't particularly singled out relative to their influence on world affairs.

But I can understand the gripe when people make assumptions about the folks living in a completely different society without actually being there.

RocktheCasbah

Claudius yeah, it's like that line in the Sopranos "out there it's the 1990's but in this house it's 1954”.

Except that the house is the United States. And it's more like 1854.

Just to add to the Sopranos comment, I recently watched a brilliant documentary about David Chase and the Sopranos. Chase said the joke at the heart of the Sopranos was that the modern world was so fucked, a gangster was appalled by it. I think that sense of sickness about the world as it is maybe has led some people to hanker for times they perceive to be simpler - and rosier.

awooga83

I think many left/centre parties in the west are struggling at the moment to define what they stand for and to counter the right at the moment.
Whist there may have been mistakes in the strategy I don't think it's anything to do with Harris' competence. If you think Harris is incompetent what on earth is your impression of Trump, that is truly incompetent leader and very much a malicious individual so competence is not what's driving the issue in my view because if it was there is no way trump wins that battle. With trump and people like Boris you just have the public (or a proportion) tolerating some awful behaviour and seemingly not holding them to account.

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