2024 US Election
That little shit's done media work on both sides of the Ukraine war hasn't he?
No way on earth a man gets paid $400k per month with a gentle hint or two to keep pushing the propaganda he's fed without knowing what he's doing, all the more so if the company's run out of Tennessee by people called Kostiantyn Kalashnikov and Elena Afanasyeva.
a famous trump nuthugger/neo nazi scamfluencer who's only just realising he's been duped by the ultimate scammer
That was a well contested and orchestrated debate.
I was surprised at Trump’s coherence as he’s been a mess at recent speaking engagements. While I don’t agree with him, I did think he was clear and relatively concise (for him).
Kamala got so much right, but also left me deflated on a few moments where she could have added details to add weight to what she was saying.
In particular:
she should have name dropped her guns (when saying she was a gun owner)
mentioned the impact on OGBYns (moving/closing) and maternal fatality rates when talking about abortion laws
and I think she should have explicitly called out the country being tired of 75 year old presidents (instead of mentioning a new generation of leaders).
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MistaT really? it seems even fox conceded he did poorly tonight. Lindsey Graham said his debate preppers should be fired lol. incoherent rambling about transgender prison surgeries and Haitians eating cats and dogs didn't do him many favours. the 'I have a concept of a plan' when asked about healthcare cracked me up. he should've been a shitposting podcaster instead of this politics lark.
as I said up thread, its a mad sprint to the finish and the winner will be whoever made the least mistakes. today's debate seems to be a pretty big misstep for maga.
The "Springfield migrants ate my dog" thing is wild. It went from a thing Vance had tweeted yesterday that I was joking about with an Ohioan friend to the headline from Trump's debate performance.
That said, I don't think it's necessarily decisive for his supporters if Trump lies or appears to be incoherent. If he comes across as weak however it'll kill his chances. Those who vote for him gravitate to the appeal of a partisan power acting on their behalf.
Vance turns out to be damaging in this regard, he lacks charisma and conviction as well as Trump's impenetrable arrogance—I got blindsided by how poor the guy is as a "retail politician". Pence in "Christian Dalek" mode declaring he wouldn't dine with a woman other than his wife was better for Trump.
Burnwinter The "Springfield migrants ate my dog" thing is wild.
I wasn’t aware of the story until recently - I just assumed the Simpsons continued to struggle for good material.
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Burnwinter it seems their strategy isn't really to expand their coalition, they're just aggressively red-meating the maga base and hoping that's enough drive them to the polls, while hoping overall turnout is low. this debate performance doesnt do him any harm with that in mind. whether it will prove to be the right move electorally remains to be seen. if he starts sinking in the polls over the next few weeks I expect the insanity to ramp up and the GOP to pull whatever crazy stunt he tells them to.
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Now you wanna run around and talk about guns like me and Tim ain't got none. What you think we sold 'em all.
"concepts of a plan"
Gazza M — what I meant by “coherent” was more so complete thoughts and properly structured sentences. He’s been struggling with those in recent weeks.
Fully agree he spat out some absurd shit, but his base is about it and plenty of them are reading those same stories on the far right fringes of the internet.
Gazza M Yeah I'm not sure each event matters so much, or at least when the race swings a bit as when Harris supplanted Biden or Walz joined her campaign, it seems the pundits and people are soon looking ahead for the next moment of drama.
I read the polls are very close, within the margin of error. I'm not sure if I'm just imagining it or if this is some kind of Mandela effect, but it seems polling data is far less to be relied upon today than twenty years ago.
Burnwinter I'm not sure if I'm just imagining it or if this is some kind of Mandela effect, but it seems polling data is far less to be relied upon today than twenty years ago.
I assume it’s because of the breakneck speed of events. Historically an assassination attempt would be mainstream news for an entire campaign but it’s already been relegated to a footnote. It’s wild.
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another observation i had which i havent seen mentioned, is just how audience captured many figures on the right are. trump literally was fed the insane pet-eating story 24 hours before the debate, and just blurted it out on the national debate stage. the same thing is happening with elon musk and a number of other public figures on the right eg. the russell brands and jordan peterson types. there's this bi-directional flow of misinformation that so baked into the right wing eco system in the US, it's hard to know where the lies actually begin and end. I don't even think they know anymore either, nor does it matter. when you're governed by lies, your sense of judgement and grip on reality becomes tenuous at best. it's crazy to watch the phenomenon unfold in real time like it did yesterday