Gazza M Funny how they are all pro trump ha? lol When things will come out, as much as they can....people will be shocked just how deep it goes.
That loser with the hat on all the time, Tim got 400.000k per month to post "civil war" every 2 minutes.

That little shit's done media work on both sides of the Ukraine war hasn't he?

No way on earth a man gets paid $400k per month with a gentle hint or two to keep pushing the propaganda he's fed without knowing what he's doing, all the more so if the company's run out of Tennessee by people called Kostiantyn Kalashnikov and Elena Afanasyeva.

Gazza M Who is this annoying cunt?

That was a well contested and orchestrated debate.

I was surprised at Trump’s coherence as he’s been a mess at recent speaking engagements. While I don’t agree with him, I did think he was clear and relatively concise (for him).

Kamala got so much right, but also left me deflated on a few moments where she could have added details to add weight to what she was saying.

In particular:

• she should have name dropped her guns (when saying she was a gun owner)

• mentioned the impact on OGBYns (moving/closing) and maternal fatality rates when talking about abortion laws

• and I think she should have explicitly called out the country being tired of 75 year old presidents (instead of mentioning a new generation of leaders).

Gazza M I found it wild that these two people should even share a stage. His madness is deepening

The "Springfield migrants ate my dog" thing is wild. It went from a thing Vance had tweeted yesterday that I was joking about with an Ohioan friend to the headline from Trump's debate performance.

That said, I don't think it's necessarily decisive for his supporters if Trump lies or appears to be incoherent. If he comes across as weak however it'll kill his chances. Those who vote for him gravitate to the appeal of a partisan power acting on their behalf.

Vance turns out to be damaging in this regard, he lacks charisma and conviction as well as Trump's impenetrable arrogance—I got blindsided by how poor the guy is as a "retail politician". Pence in "Christian Dalek" mode declaring he wouldn't dine with a woman other than his wife was better for Trump.

Burnwinter The "Springfield migrants ate my dog" thing is wild.

I wasn’t aware of the story until recently - I just assumed the Simpsons continued to struggle for good material.

Gazza M — what I meant by “coherent” was more so complete thoughts and properly structured sentences. He’s been struggling with those in recent weeks.

Fully agree he spat out some absurd shit, but his base is about it and plenty of them are reading those same stories on the far right fringes of the internet.

Gazza M Yeah I'm not sure each event matters so much, or at least when the race swings a bit as when Harris supplanted Biden or Walz joined her campaign, it seems the pundits and people are soon looking ahead for the next moment of drama.

I read the polls are very close, within the margin of error. I'm not sure if I'm just imagining it or if this is some kind of Mandela effect, but it seems polling data is far less to be relied upon today than twenty years ago.

Burnwinter I'm not sure if I'm just imagining it or if this is some kind of Mandela effect, but it seems polling data is far less to be relied upon today than twenty years ago.

I assume it’s because of the breakneck speed of events. Historically an assassination attempt would be mainstream news for an entire campaign but it’s already been relegated to a footnote. It’s wild.

Mirth it’s good. Only issue is people are more fixed in their views. So the group of people who can be impacted by a single event like a debate is smaller than ever.

Gazza M but they like that. They like this idea of free speech which is actually just the ability to spread misinformation that fits this narrative. When told by the press that the cat story was fake, JD Vance acknowledged this but still encouraged his followers to share cat memes. Elon earlier this week reminded X users to not spread misinformation, and then promptly distributed cat stories. It’s malicious, very nazi like, understanding the power of media. Hence the desire to discredit the mainstream, burn books, curtail education, etc.

I tuned in for about 2 minutes when they were talking about abortion. I heard Trump essentially assert that many Democrats are in favour of abortion "even after birth". I turned off again.

And yet this statement didn't even make it into the list of weird shit he is saying. What a stuffed up state of affairs US politics is in.

Asterix also known as homicide. I don’t know if people just lost a basic capacity to think over time

I was just reading that apparently the moderators did pick him up on this. So he complained the debate was 3 vs 1.

Yep. That's the conservative media's excuse. Apparently it was wrong of the moderators to fact check him in real time. The claim is Harris was not fact checked as aggressively, and the moderators were in cahoots with her all along

i saw some summary where he made 33 factually inaccurate statements that didn't get checked and she made one. they should be happy that they couldn't possibly fact check all his lies.

yeah the moderators were totally unfair to agent orange.

hes an absolutely classless piece of shit who is putting people in unnecessary danger every single day

Claudius but they like that. They like this idea of free speech which is actually just the ability to spread misinformation that fits this narrative.

Wasn't it Edi Amin who said something along the lines of I can guarantee freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech?

• 2016 Trump sounds incredibly articulate compared to this version.

Fucking hell, people need to chill the fuck out in America. I get Trump isn't liked but this isn't the way.

Coombs exactly, perhaps allowing individuals easy access to firearms increases the risk of individuals with a grievance or potentially unwell doing significant harm to others through such access.

"Our borders must be closed and the terrorists, criminals and mentally insane immediately removed from American cities and towns, deported back to their countries of origin" - so says the guy who's just been shot at by two white, American citizens.

Have not checked but I assume this guy's the latest one?

Daz tbf I wouldn't call shooting at Trump "criminally insane" more of a public service.

Qwiss not if you miss