Unfortunate times where we have these immature leaders all around.
Kinda not very hard to see trump’s point in the ensuing tweet he put out, if you ignore the dramatic nature of this crazy shouting match.

Coombs No disrespect, and I mean it when I say that, but coming from a third world country, I’m a little curious and doubtful about your definition of starvation.

For the record, whatever the merits or demerits of DOGE, I think it’s utterly wrong and shows the complete and deep disconnect between the working man and the current Musk administration at how these particular policies and cuts are being carried out. Any idiot on the street could run things this way. The point of a govt and civilized society is to bring about changes without affecting or at least giving a soft landing to the people that’ll be affected by them changes.

      JazzG I've never seen anything like it. de Gaulle's had the last laugh.

        RowJimmy yeah no. polling shows that only 30-35% of US adults agree with musks current position in government. basically the rusted-on maga hardliners only. they can hide behind the waste/fraud propaganda as much as they want, but the way they're doing it does not have popular support outside of maga world, and that public opinion will keep doing down.

            JazzG I'm sure this clown said plenty of 'interesting' things

            https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna119213

            “If I, a Jew, a member of the Tribe, Hebrew Schooled, can read Mein Kampf & think ‘holy shit, Hitler actually had some decent points.’ Then NO ONE is safe from hating you once they find out who is behind the White genocide happening all over the world,” he wrote in another post.

            the state of the sources and accounts you cite is consistently horrible

                wingnuts like this guy sitting in on meetings as high stakes as this sums up the trump admin.

                Zelenky has gotten way too comfortable lecturing world leaders. It was stupid to think that same strategy was going to help him with Trump and Vance.

                  "Have you said thank you once in this entire meeting?"

                  Vance is an extraordinary animal.

                  This US administration is pathological. Makes me think civil war could actually happen.

                    Coombs Sorry by the way. I shouldn't have framed that the way I did. The speed and brutality with which Trump has been able to do certain things through the Presidency is alarming and unfamiliar.

                      Burnwinter Vance is an extraordinary animal

                      He also tried to needle Starmer and Macron earlier this week.

                        Qwiss true. Cunts like them don't like anything but ass licking

                        Burnwinter Vance has a political career simply because Thiel can't be bothered to do it day in day out. So he pays Vance to do it

                            It's all about the rush of pleasure for the "patriots" following the spectacle. That's the catch, though, the Itchy and Scratchy theme music eventually stops and then there's a hangover while all the cognitive dissonances are resolved.

                            Gazza M the state of the sources and accounts you cite is consistently horrible

                            A broken clock is right twice a day as well....

                            Qwiss Zelenky has gotten way too comfortable lecturing world leaders. It was stupid to think that same strategy was going to help him with Trump and Vance.

                            Good thing you said this rather than me lol. What do you think, is Zelensky just being hard nosed here or is he being egged on to try and take Trump on?

                            This isn't Biden and Kamala here, as a leader who knows he is losing the war and the only thing stopping Russia wiping them out is America, he needs to read the room here and do what is best for his country. It is a horrible position for Zelensky to be in, not nice and the Americans are going to absolute arseholes here and demand a high price but the situation is what it is.

                            All the European leaders tweeting their support, well Twitter isn't going to save Ukraine from Russian bombs nor are the Europeans so he needs to swallow his pride here. I've seen UK journalists egg Starmer on to react but he is being very sensible here and trying to act like a bridge and not take a side.

                                  JazzG Zelensky says similar everywhere. You give him aid he wants weapons, you give him weapons he wants troops. Almost always insulting you for not doing enough as you hand him billions.

                                    It's the attitude of a man who was told by NATO nations he'd be given everything necessary to decisively win the war and has never accepted that it was a lie. He's a very unpleasant character rather than a hero, but from a practical point of view victimising Ukraine won't help conjure up a lasting peace.

                                    JazzG the Americans are going to are absolute arseholes here

                                    Fixed it for you!

                                        Sort of seems to me he's been faced with the choice of fellating Trump or not before he gets sodomized, says no to the blowie. Il se fera enculer dans tous les cas. And you all blame him.

                                          RowJimmy Il se fera enculer dans tous les cas

                                          And let's spare a thought for the hundreds of thousands of conscripts killed in this war. Fuck all empires and fuck Putin, NATO and all three of Obama, Biden and Trump.