plouffe is the guy that helped obama win, and is a senior adviser to the harris campaign. quiet confidence seems to building on the dem side based on the early vote data in the swing states. that MSG stunt may have actually been an inflection point.

those fugazi betting odds on polymarket have also swung drastically in the last 48 hours, which has caused an amusing meltdown on X.

this is a horror poll for trump. this is a very highly regarded pollster that works specifically in Iowa. kamala should not be ahead in this poll. the fact she is indicates the sentiment across the midwest has heavily shifted towards democrats. the demographics in Iowa are fairly reflective in places like PA, MI and WI

I hope it's a historic ass whooping tbh.

    kamala telling them MAGAts "respect my mind or get your brains knocked out."

    Gazza M I hope it's a historic ass whooping tbh

    Honestly it needs to be to put this era behind us

      I’m still scared he might win. The era won’t be behind us even if he loses though. Trump is not the cause, he is a symptom. If you have a country divided by two groups of extremists while the centre keeps churning out average candidates, this is what you will continue to get.

        Probably more than two, but yes. Unless you're one of those people who believes that as long as you're left wing, you can never be extreme enough. The forum has a couple of those.

          Gurgen do you think the Democrats are left wing extremists, or am I misunderstanding? The way I see it, their only options are a right wing extremist and a centre, maybe centre-left candidate. That's the two groups.

              Gurgen so you think the democrats are too far to the left?

                  the far left in the US isnt close to power. the bernie wing has been subsumed and reduced to carrying water for the democratic establishment. the leftists that turned on bernie are very much on the fringes screaming into the wind. conversely, the extreme elements of the right actually do have power and have been dictating the direction of the party since 2016. that's why the both sides argument of extreme left vs extreme right never made sense to me.

                    Qwiss No I don't. But there is a group of (woke) extremists that has a disproportionate influence on the left, just like there is a group of fascists that has a disproportionate influence on the right. Obviously the symmetry is not total. The major difference is that the right candidate is now a fascist himself. Or at least a strawman for the fascists, because I don't really think Trump has any deep political convictions himself. His world is mainly about bragging about himself, groping women and eating Big Macs.

                        There's plenty of liberals about who are very sure their opinions are very sensible and everyone else is mad, and who love the public goods that emerged from the heyday of European social democracy, but prefer not to understand anything about the politics that formed those goods then, or could recreate them now.

                        Gurgen but the 'woke' contingent of the democratic party have very little proximity to power/influence at all in 2024. if kamala wins, they'll have even less because she hasn't catered to those elements of the party or the base at all. even her rhetoric is miles away from the far more progressive energy of 2020 when everyone was trying tap into bernie sanders' popularity. I don't see where there's even a comparison worth making there, considering right wing extremism has held all the power in the republican party for 8 years

                          Gazza M the far left in the US isnt close to power. the bernie wing has been subsumed and reduced to carrying water for the democratic establishment.

                          Every Bernie was fairly moderate by most western standards. He'd been seen as a centrist in most of Europe.

                            I agree bernie isn't even really far left. it sounds like gurgen is referring to the lefty doomers that are further left of sanders that see him as a betrayer of the leftist movement. those sorts have absolutely no sway in the party at all. in fact many of them have horseshoed around to be pro-trump in order to punish the democratic establishment at any cost, but again, they have no proximity to power and are very much in the minority

                              Gazza M They seem to be an outlier but a respectable polling company so their opinion holds weight.

                              Gurgen The era won’t be behind us even if he loses though. Trump is not the cause, he is a symptom. If you have a country divided by two groups of extremists while the centre keeps churning out average candidates, this is what you will continue to get.

                              Spot on

                                    The wokey types aren't leftists, and they're certainly not extremists, unless you think being extremely annoying counts.