Gazza M if Trump was actually a threat to America the way you describe he'd be removed. The fact he isn't goes to show how much of a non-threat to the status quo he is. The FBI were well rooted into every right wing group that turned up on Jan 6th and they did nothing to stop it because they knew it was a joke and wasn't going to have any effect.
We've seen Trump in power, he's a boorish horrible cunt but he doesn't really move the needle much in terms of what America is and does.
I'll personally never quite understand 'the right wing/far right isn't that much worse that the other guy' takes you always get when these things come around.
The idea that Biden is more dangerous to the world is madness. You can bet your arse that despots around the world like Netanyahu are praying for Trump to get in power.
goon it’s a bit more nuanced than that, Goon.
Right wing hard men, racists, nationalists around the world will prefer Trump. He also gravitates to these types of men, and will endorse them even if not explicitly.
But Trump doesn’t care about an active US foreign policy where American identity is defined by muscle. Biden continues this tradition, even if he isn’t as hawkish as a Cheney or Rumsfeld.
American foreign policy has been a disaster, but I don’t think the answer is for them to go from enabling the likes of Israel and the Saudis, to giving them a free hand to do what they like to achieve their geopolitical aims (while presumably still arming them to the teeth).
And I also think Trump would indiscriminately bomb the shit out of Yemen if stuff like the shipping lane closures impacted them at home.
Anyway, foreign policy aside, the fact that he’s a beacon for racists, fascists, misogynists etc. around the world is enough for me.
Fact remains that Trump's the only President in a long time to not start a new conflict. To the majority of the non English speaking world, it doesn't matter whose in the White House when it comes to foreign policy.
Trump has enabled a bunch of right wing strongmen in the West but also the 4 major strongmen in the world right now - Putin, Xi, Modi and Netanyahu - were in place before 2016. Trump's part of a wider trend and anyone who views him as the turning point wasn't paying attention.
Just like COVID/BLM protests sunk Trump I think this border issue will sink Biden.
Qwiss I'll never understand this logic. he's been allowed to exist, therefore doesn't represent a threat. he's been inundated with lawsuits and some states supreme courts have determined he be removed from the ballot altogether, much of which stems back to his poat 2020 election interference. if any of that sticks, does he then rise to the level of 'not being allowed to exist', and only at that point can be considered a credible threat? the lullaby of the autocrat really is working. flood the zone with enough bullshit that people start giving up altogether and believing there's no threat in the dominant international power unravelling democratically.
and as with much of the far rights platform, 'stopping endless wars' seems virtuous on the surface, but in reality it's an attempt to blow up the current US power structure from the inside and remake it with lord knows what, probably something from steve bannons fever dream. these guys are playing for keeps.
goon giving them a free hand to do what they like to achieve their geopolitical aims (while presumably still arming them to the teeth).
Yeah, it's worth noting that where government influence recedes, capital goes forward—ie the western military-industrial complex if Trump is elected.
Gazza M probably something from steve bannons fever dream
If it goes in line with the current worries of conservative "foreign policy realists" and the obsessions of Bannon, then it'll be an attempt to "pivot to China". So probably more sabre-rattling in the Pacific, relative withdrawal of forces and attention from Palestine and Ukraine, and more trade warfare ...
Burnwinter I mean that goes forward anyway when we are talking about the US. And has done much better under Biden than it did under Trump. Trump was still bombing Somalia and Lybia and deserves to go to the Hague for it but the MIC has hardly ever done better than under Biden. Sure Bidens giving money to Ukraine and Israel to spend on US weapons.
Gazza M those legal challenges are more theatre. Only the extremely naive ever thought anything would come of them. Trump doesn't challenge American hegemony in anyway, he talks a big games about draining the swamp, etc but he gives the security state and the letter agencies everything they want.
Coombs This is what a lot of Politicians do, they know they have no solution for the issue in hand (in this case the border) themselves but will just pin it all on the party that is failing and voters will fall for that.
Working for Labour here as well, Keir Starmer has not put forward a single viable solution but happy to sit back and was the Conservatives tear themselves apart trying to get on top of it.
Trump, Biden or whoever will lead USA are clearly devils, but anything Biden would do to further their own country at the expense of others, Trump would too. The latter just has the added bonus of also being openly racist, misogynistic and homophonic. Saying he's worse isn't controversial, and it's not endorsing Biden.
JazzG I don't get this point. Isn't it Sunak's job (Or Truss, or Johnson, or May, or...) to propose and implement solutions? Policy and solutions are largely for elections and manifestos. Not a bad thing to know where they're heading, but not sure exactly what Labour (or LibDems/SNP/Greens) are supposed to be doing here - they're not governing.
What specific issue are you talking about in any case?
My one hope for the US Elections is for Trump to be DQ'd and Haley to run for the GOP. At which point I'd even say - go Haley! Biden has constantly been a wuss.
This was surreal. I swear this has been around since before I was born.
Unreal how much influence this dimwit has over a sizeable section of the Republican vote.
His interview with Putin was jokes. I haven't watched all of it but seen some clips, I especially liked the part where he reminded Tucker that he wanted to join the CIA....
