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goon

Big change in tone from Arteta too. From putting the onus on ESR to prove he deserves mins, to putting the onus on himself to give him the mins:

On if Smith Rowe looks ready to make a big impact now

“No change. Emile is Emile. He’s got incredible qualities and we really happy to have him. What he needs now is chances to put all the qualities that he has on the pitch. In order to do that we have to give him minutes.”

lorddulaarsenal

Not the time to get rid. Tis his moment. Need to see those half turns, direct runs, give and goes, and daisy cutter shots. The team structure has evolved again to an extent which suits his play again.

Claudius

lorddulaarsenal big fan of this guy’s. Hope we can get him in and liven up the left side of attack a bit. We have always been a right-biased team in the age of Saka, but this season has become too lopsided. He is the kind of player who flow between left 8 and left wing with ease, allowing Martinelli better inside positions. All of Martinelli, Jesus and Odegaard need to get their shots and accuracy up this second half of the season.

Claudius

We are said to be close to Hato. Another big Dutch defensive talent. Thanks to Brexit though, would only be able to register April. Fingers crossed. If 4 or 5 years hopefully he is forming into a top centre back.

lorddulaarsenal

Not so sure on that - he’s rumoured to be close to signing a deal with Ajax

HomeSteak

JazzG

Kiwior probably someone we need to look at the summer window. Clearly a talent but he has been here for a year and don't really think he has improved as much as I would have hoped.

Qwiss

JazzG depends on what we get offered. He's alright as CB cover and he can do a job at LB when you are stuck. Can we replace him for the same price and wage we lose him? If not I'm not sure there is much point doing a deal.

JazzG

Qwiss I think if we get similar to what we paid we should move him on. He is taking up a foreign player slot and considering how little he has played or been needed I'd rather we go and sign a good young prospect who might in the future offer a chance of breaking through.

I think with the way things are Kiwor's price is only going to decrease.

Don Pacifico

He also isn't going to improve if he never gets minutes in his preferred position. Unless we don't trust him, I don't understand why he hasn't had more game time at CB.

Meatwad

gabriel doesn't need rest so he doesn't play. center back is one of those positions where you keep numbers in case of emergency. you don't really need to rotate them. ben white and a more reliable tomi would be perfect CB backups because they can play full back the majority of the time.

Don Pacifico

Meatwad that's fine but if you're never going to play him, then you probably bring in a different profile of CB if you're never going to play him. He's clearly still developing.

Clrnc

Kiwior is absolutely fine as a 3rd choice backup. Nothing more. Just don't play him at LB man

Claudius

Clrnc agree. In theory we have three left backs ahead of him.

HomeSteak

1 week left, crazy times are upon us.

Qwiss

Nah not into that.

lorddulaarsenal

Nope don’t want either.

Meatwad

Don Pacifico
oh i agree, it's stupid to sign a still developing player in a position where he won't get game time. but that's arteta's m.o. "gimme gimme gimee"

Qwiss

I don't think signing Kiwior was stupid at all. I don't particularly rate the kid but I think its the profile to bring in for that role. He's come in, played a decent amount, albeit mostly at fullback, and he hasn't really caught fire. Give him another season, he'll still only be 24 so you should be able to sell for the same or more than you paid. Better plan than signing a mid level PL 28 year old for the same money and then getting nothing in 2-3 years. If you keep repeating that process eventually one of them will come good too and push their way into the side. As a transfer and squad building strategy I like that. Now it all falls apart if we keep making a mess of our sales but that's a separate issue really.

Tam

It's easy to dismiss Kiwior when he's behind the best centre back partnership in the league. If Gabriel and Saliba hadn't settled into such a robust and well-functioning pairing, Kiwior's experience may have been much different. He's personally suffered significantly from one of the truly great aspects we've benefitted from in the last year or so.

It's a difficult call with the third/fourth choice centre back behind such a strong pair. Do you go with developing youth who have mistakes in them (Kiwior), average but happy to settle (Holding) or seasoned professionals who may cost a packet? When you've got squad players who can rotate like White and Tomiyasu I'd take the chance on players like Kiwior all day long.

goon

I think Kiwior has looked fine, and I'd trust him to come in for a few games if need be. That's all you can really ask for a 3rd choice centre back.

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