Disappointing signing so far. Has to do better on the corner. He barely even jumped. And flappyhandski would have been proud of that attempt to punch the ball.

That said, there were a couple of pieces to Ross Barkley's goal before Raya allowed the shot to squirm under him. 1) Odegaard has to be stronger in the midfield duel. 2) Saka not being back in time to put pressure on Barkley
3) Ben White and his penchant for jockeying from 10 yards away.

Ultimately Raya has to do better for those two goals. The goal keeping situation is a mess. Let's see how Arteta handle things going forward

I think he is definitely an improvement on Ramsdale but maybe not as big improvement as we had hoped.

    JazzG Ramsdale isn't as error prone as him.

    Raya is not only short but lacks any presence as a goalie. Very Ospina esque. Both are not the solution but both are our problem now. So annoying.

    Been mentioned for many times that competition for goalie is detrimental for each other and we have seen it clearly over the season

      Ramsdale made as big errors in the Brentford game but got let off, Raya was not quite as lucky. But I think as a GK and as far as passing the ball out Raya is better than Ramsdale.

      Personally I want to see someone of the calibre of Allison between the sticks but not many top keepers available right now.

        JazzG Ramsdale made as big errors in the Brentford game but got let off

        Not the same situation since Ramsdale hardly played and is under huge pressure to get his place back.

        If Ramsdale is first choice and make such errors week in week out then he deserves the same criticism as Raya.

            Clrnc Not the same situation since Ramsdale hardly played and is under huge pressure to get his place back.

            Nah, this is just excuses. Ramsdale should be able to defeat this guy. The fact that he has allowed it to get this far is his own damn fault. Need him to step the fuck up.

              There was that period under Wenger where we couldn't defend a cross and it almost felt like a guaranteed goal every time the opposition got a corner. We've been pretty good at defending them lately but now with Raya it's the same sort of feeling of dread any time a cross goes anywhere near him. As an opposition player there's no reason to cross it anywhere else.

                invisibleman18 he was a clear upgrade claiming crosses for the first few games, especially as Ramsdale had been awful commanding his box for months. Now here we are...something isn't right in Arsenal's goalkeeping setup, it can't just be the players at this point. Signing Runnarson is the canary in this particular coal mine.

                    The bit I hate most about this is that all the armchair pundits talking about the negative impact of having two first choice goalies being proven correct. The number of "I told you so's" we're going to have to bear on this will be painful.

                      Qwiss That's my view too. Ramsdale had a shaky first half against Brentford (noting he was a more composed in the 2nd and half and got out of it with a clean sheet) when he hadn't played for 10 games or whatever it was and knew he was coming in for possibly his last game of the season and maybe even for the club. But it's also worth remembering he was voted into the PFA team of the season last season and nominated for the Yashin award. I don't think anyone has suggested he's peak Seaman or Lehmann, but it also feels unfair to portray him as some sort of dodgy Almunia.

                        Qwiss Absolutely. And physically more aggressive and courageous. He's far from perfect but I don't see him getting as badly steamrolled by Adebayo, as Raya just was.

                            Burnwinter He's far from perfect but I don't see him getting as badly steamrolled by Adebayo, as Raya just was.

                            Why? I recall us conceding from multiple Ramsdale flaps last season

                              I don't remember whether we've conceded from it or not, but it's definitely something Ramsdale is prone to do as well.

                              I'm still not that interested in the Raya vs Ramsdale debate. Both are very good keepers in my book and both are suffering from a confidence crisis. But I'm not worried and I'm certainly not entertaining debates about who's worse.

                              Thought Raya was working through it before Tuesday, at least he's not been mucking up on the ball anymore. If Aaron came back in I'm sure he'll start to look like his old self soon enough too.

                                Clrnc If he can't deal with the pressure of getting his place back then he needs to leave. He won't get a run of games to win his place back, he will have training sessions and limited game time to prove himself. That is simply the cut throat nature of elite football.

                                Ramsdale was flapping around and making all sort of mistakes last season, goals went in where a top keeper would have saved them. I'm not saying Raya is the solution but I am saying Ramsdale definitely isn't.

                                I have a new found respect for Arteta for dropping Ramsdale and instead of getting his head down and working he has been using his agent and father to stir shit up in the media. Any foreign player would not get this much attention. Get rid in January if we get a good fee, this guy isn't worth the hassle.

                                Burnwinter Just off the top of my head he flapped at the goal that Martinez against us last season when we played Man Utd.

                                      JazzG Missed his punch against PSV for De Jong's goal and conceded directly from a corner kick last season as well, didn't he?

                                          goon isn't it when their level is similar such a debate would be even remotely interesting? No point discussing White vs Cedric.

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