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Raya joins Arsenal

Clrnc

GooneriC Only does not make sense if we have no money left. We can still buy a striker if we want.

QuincyAbeyie

Every transfer in history is money well spent if you assume that the alternative is wasting it on someone useless.

Pepe LeFrits

QuincyAbeyie Every transfer in history is money well spent if you assume that the alternative is wasting it on someone useless.

My point is that complaining we're not allocating funds to a striker is only valid when there's somebody available that's significantly (at 90 mill, a valid criterion) better than Jesus. You don't just throw whatever funds you have available at your problem position unless it actually addresses the problem. Who can we get than will significantly improve on Jesus?

lorddulaarsenal

Have a feeling Dave’ll be first choice soon enough. Tet wants to raise the level of our possession play, and he probably likes his ability to play long, with Havertz in mind

RocktheCasbah

lorddulaarsenal wait till you've watched him throw a few in before making that judgement... but yeah, perhaps planning to adapt the Raya- Toney axis to Havertz - Ravertz, if you will. It'd certainly add something to our play to be able to go long securely.

Mirth

GooneriC which striker?

Gazza M

Pepe LeFrits the striker market is so mad, I can't think of many in the 90m bracket that are a clear upgrade on jesus. I'd like us to punt on high potential like Evan Ferguson, who would be a handy understudy to jesus with a view to growing into first choice

HomeSteak

Pepe LeFrits not that I don't agree with you but Is Raya significantly better then Ramsdale? Is Havertz significantly better then Xhaka? Or Jesus?

Mirth

HomeSteak there’s a difference between paying £25m for a marginal improvement vs paying £90m for one. In fact I doubt you’d even get a striker on par with Jesus this summer for £90m

Havertz and Xhaka aren’t really comparable - although they could notionally play at LCM, they’ll be used very differently.

Clrnc

Is the argument about finding a striker as good as Jesus? It's more like trying to find someone to rotate with him because the drop off from him to Nketiah is too big isn't it?

Not difficult to find someone better than Nketiah. In fact 90m would quite easily get Toney imo.

Mirth

Clrnc Jesus’ back up should be Trossard and then Havertz. Nketiah will probably get game time to rest the first team but, as seen on Sunday, he won’t play in a meaningful fixture

Clrnc

Mirth Yeah exactly, which might not suffice because there will be many games we need a proper number 9 and an option B.

I think goonerIC argument is for

A) Havertz+Raya

B) Toney

One could argue B has more tangible benefits than A in a world where it's either this or that. But for me I think if we want another striker for 90m now we can just buy him. It's not like we have no money

Pepe LeFrits

Well it's sort of vs half a Toney this season, but fair enough, it's an argument.

Mirth

Toney's never going to be an option for Arteta - he's consistently tried to bring in attacking players that can play in at least 2 positions or systems. Having a 'Plan B' player is not how he views the game.

QuincyAbeyie

I don't think that's how I'd describe Vlahovic, at least based on what I've seen.

Burnwinter

mdgoonah41 It's also the case that after this shakes out between Raya and Ramsdale, one of the two will move on, much as Leno did. Except this time we should take at least £20m when that takes place, albeit needing to find our next prospective keeper.

I can't look at this deal and think both players will be happy with their lot next summer.

RocktheCasbah

well, it depends how it shakes out really. If it is a genuine competition between the two and shirts are earned on merit, it could work, there are enough games to go around and enough trust for the manager (in the players) to rotate as he sees fits, but history certainly suggests you're right Burns. Interesting few weeks ahead!

QuincyAbeyie

The argument with enough games very rarely works with GKs. I can't think of any top club rotating their GKs regularly based on form. The only examples are when the manager gives one "main" competition to each one, and even then the CL goalkeeper sees himself as the backup.

That being said, I don't care much if both are happy next year, as long as the best one is. And he probably will be.

Clrnc

Yeah. Really can't recall any clubs having 2 equally good keeper for more than 1 season. Which is why Citeh has very inferior keepers to Ederson.

Chances are whoever winning the spot will cause the other to leave next year and the odds is against Ramsdale now

daredevil

Bravo and Ter Stegen worked.

Lehmann and Kahn worked on an International level.

Competition can only be a good thing.

Mirth

daredevil Bravo and Ter Stegen worked.

Nah, Bravo left within a season of him being not first choice. Ter Stegen's 10 years younger as well so it was an easier dynamic.

The closest example I can think of in club football is Cech and Cudicini. Although Cudicini wasn't very ambitious so it helped.

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