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Raya joins Arsenal

GooneriC

I don't like the fact that we've dumped close to £90 million on Havertz and Raya and we still don't have a top striker. Doesn't make sense

Pepe LeFrits

GooneriC I don't like the fact that we've dumped close to £90 million on Havertz and Raya and we still don't have a top striker. Doesn't make sense

Better than dumping 90 mill on a striker who isn't any good and having no depth in midfield or in goal I'd say

Clrnc

GooneriC Only does not make sense if we have no money left. We can still buy a striker if we want.

Mirth

GooneriC which striker?

banduan

Mikel to Raya: We need you to give Rambo competition!

Turner to Mikel: 😢

QuincyAbeyie

Pepe LeFrits

Every transfer in history is money well spent if you assume that the alternative is wasting it on someone useless.

Gazza M

Pepe LeFrits the striker market is so mad, I can't think of many in the 90m bracket that are a clear upgrade on jesus. I'd like us to punt on high potential like Evan Ferguson, who would be a handy understudy to jesus with a view to growing into first choice

Pepe LeFrits

QuincyAbeyie Every transfer in history is money well spent if you assume that the alternative is wasting it on someone useless.

My point is that complaining we're not allocating funds to a striker is only valid when there's somebody available that's significantly (at 90 mill, a valid criterion) better than Jesus. You don't just throw whatever funds you have available at your problem position unless it actually addresses the problem. Who can we get than will significantly improve on Jesus?

lorddulaarsenal

Have a feeling Dave’ll be first choice soon enough. Tet wants to raise the level of our possession play, and he probably likes his ability to play long, with Havertz in mind

RocktheCasbah

lorddulaarsenal wait till you've watched him throw a few in before making that judgement... but yeah, perhaps planning to adapt the Raya- Toney axis to Havertz - Ravertz, if you will. It'd certainly add something to our play to be able to go long securely.

HomeSteak

Pepe LeFrits not that I don't agree with you but Is Raya significantly better then Ramsdale? Is Havertz significantly better then Xhaka? Or Jesus?

Mirth

HomeSteak there’s a difference between paying £25m for a marginal improvement vs paying £90m for one. In fact I doubt you’d even get a striker on par with Jesus this summer for £90m

Havertz and Xhaka aren’t really comparable - although they could notionally play at LCM, they’ll be used very differently.

Clrnc

Is the argument about finding a striker as good as Jesus? It's more like trying to find someone to rotate with him because the drop off from him to Nketiah is too big isn't it?

Not difficult to find someone better than Nketiah. In fact 90m would quite easily get Toney imo.

Mirth

Clrnc Jesus’ back up should be Trossard and then Havertz. Nketiah will probably get game time to rest the first team but, as seen on Sunday, he won’t play in a meaningful fixture

Clrnc

Mirth Yeah exactly, which might not suffice because there will be many games we need a proper number 9 and an option B.

I think goonerIC argument is for

A) Havertz+Raya

B) Toney

One could argue B has more tangible benefits than A in a world where it's either this or that. But for me I think if we want another striker for 90m now we can just buy him. It's not like we have no money

Pepe LeFrits

Well it's sort of vs half a Toney this season, but fair enough, it's an argument.

Mirth

Toney's never going to be an option for Arteta - he's consistently tried to bring in attacking players that can play in at least 2 positions or systems. Having a 'Plan B' player is not how he views the game.

QuincyAbeyie

I don't think that's how I'd describe Vlahovic, at least based on what I've seen.

Burnwinter

mdgoonah41 It's also the case that after this shakes out between Raya and Ramsdale, one of the two will move on, much as Leno did. Except this time we should take at least £20m when that takes place, albeit needing to find our next prospective keeper.

I can't look at this deal and think both players will be happy with their lot next summer.

RocktheCasbah

well, it depends how it shakes out really. If it is a genuine competition between the two and shirts are earned on merit, it could work, there are enough games to go around and enough trust for the manager (in the players) to rotate as he sees fits, but history certainly suggests you're right Burns. Interesting few weeks ahead!

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