Sicario2 - Tier 1 he had very little to do. This notion that Ramsdale is nervy at the start of matches is based on what, a couple of games where he's made errors?
I thought Raya was decent today but he's not yet displaced Ramsdale.
Sicario2 - Tier 1 he had very little to do. This notion that Ramsdale is nervy at the start of matches is based on what, a couple of games where he's made errors?
I thought Raya was decent today but he's not yet displaced Ramsdale.
Sympathise with Mikel here. I don’t buy the whole you don’t change the keeper nonsense that the pundits are coming up with. The reason it’s an issue is just because typically managers have not done but. But similarly, managers had not played without a striker or with scoring wingers for about 70 years until the current generation.
There are so many changes in the game now that support playing two keepers. First, there are more games in a season. Second, games are longer - yesterday multiple games went 105 minutes (those extra minutes don’t appear on stats). And lastly, keepers are expected to play the ball more, defend more presses, and cover more ground to support possession teams. All of this sounds like a fundamental change in goalie working conditions, which is worth an adaptation.
West Ham away and Soton home? Or Sporting Home before penalties?
Don Pacifico he had very little to do. This notion that Ramsdale is nervy at the start of matches is based on what, a couple of games where he's made errors?
Yeah, I feel you on this, it's a tough call and it'll be tough for Ramsdale to accept.
We won't know whether a fair standard has been set until we see how Raya is judged if he also makes a couple of errors.
Performance in training will also be a big factor
I'm glad Arteta is challenging the status quo.
You can't have two quality goalkeepers? Err, why not?
Goalkeepers don't like being second choice. So second choice outfielders do?
You can't rotate goalkeepers because it impacts relationships with defenders? So rotating outfielders doesn't also impact relationships?
Yep it always sounded like a silly bit of reasoning to me as well (the impact on defenders). These guys see the impact in training every day. They know who is performing and how they are performing. When you are dropped and it's for performance rather than tactical reasons, the players will have zero issues with it whatsoever. This is top level footie. They are used to it, and the best want to play with the best. The clean sheet means as much to the defenders as it does to the goalie, so they want whomever better gives them that assurance behind them, not who is more chummy or writes better player tribune articles.
Towards the end there was that free kick when Everton sent everyone forwards and Pickford launched it into the box. Raya came out, claimed and was fouled. In my mind I was thinking Ramsdale would probably have sat back and let the defenders deal with it or tried to punch instead of catching, and then it becomes a 50-50 situation which could cause trouble at a critical point in the game. That's the kind of subtle difference in goalkeeping approach - taking the initiative and calming things down, keeping everyone comfortable - that wins you games and helps you defuse a potential shaky scenario.
This may not be a good situation for Ramsdale to be in and I sympathize with that, but it's 100% a win for Arsenal.
Schmeichel wrote a press piece that competition breeds anxiety and that GK's need the security to know they will start every game. How is that exclusive to goalkeepers? Every single player on the pitch would love nothing more than a guaranteed starting berth, and whether they fail or succeed in the face of competition holds true across all players and all positions. These dynamics are blatantly not exclusive to goalkeeping. You had lots of people getting concern on behalf of Ramsdale when we bought Raya, but where was the concern for White or Partey?
daredevil These dynamics are blatantly not exclusive to goalkeeping.
But this is wrong. The dynamics of anxiety, concentration and complacency are different for keepers. That's what the criticisms from keepers such as Schmeichel and Given, or that fella who wrote Raya's signing up for The Athletic have discussed. The reason is that keepers' actions on the pitch have higher risks.
Goalkeepers aren't a borg where they all share the same emotions, feelings, etc. There isn't one way to get the best out of them. What works for one player may or may not work for another. Its up to Arteta to figure how to get the best from his players. If he thinks competing goal keepers is the way to do that then I'm not going to get ahead of myself and criticise him until I see a reason for it.
All I know is Raya and Ramsdale are about a million times better than Turner so we aren't a goal keeper injury away from disaster.
Those risks exists whether there is competition or not. and there is nothing to suggest those risks would be higher or lower in the face of competition as it's completely unique to each person. Schmeichel is obviously the anxious type, someone else might respond completely different and welcome the challenge. Having two quality goalkeepers also mitigates two of the three risks you've listed, as it literally gives us more options to solve for deteriorating GK performance.
Challenging view from Arteta. Maybe he is right, although I really doubt it.
This equiparation between keepers and other players may be attractive, but may also fall short. Just as an example: you don't see a coach changing the keeper at the minute 70 of the game.
Really complex issue, Jury is still out. Let's see how it works in the next games.
I think we are over complicating this issue.
Who is the better keeper? Raya it looks like.
Therefore play the better keeper, Raya should start on Wed.
As much as like Ramsdale the personality so be it and if he leaves in the summer it is what it is, we are not a charity.
I think most of this debate is because people have an emotional attachment to Ramsdale.
It was the same thing when Zinny replaced Tierney but that proved to be the right move as will Raya being number 1 (imo).
It’s all part of upgrading the quality in the first eleven.
daredevil Those risks exists whether there is competition or not. and there is nothing to suggest those risks would be higher or lower in the face of competition as it's completely unique to each person.
You've missed the point so I'll lay it out in more detail.
You say these dynamics are the same for any outfield position and for keepers. I say they're not because things are different for keepers. That's due to the distinctive nature of the position and role. What Ramsdale or Raya is accountable for to our team and our performances is very different from what, say, Rice is accountable for. And what they're accountable for is what they can be blamed for. And what you can be blamed for (or fail at) is what fuels anxiety.
These differences remain the same (although their impact is different) relative to whether a keeper is "the anxious type". They are not "completely unique for each person". However, one would accept the changing role of the keeper in the XI, no longer just a shot-stopper, does slowly alter them without turning them over.
That's one thing Schmeichel and other keepers commentating on Raya's transfer have been articulating (that fella in The Athletic was a good read). As a point it is quite obvious, and is not necessarily decisive as to whether competitive #1s is a good or bad thing.
Another piece on this topic from The Athletic, not earth-shattering but it's worth a read.
One more very obvious point as to why it's different for keepers—for any other position, it is possible to accommodate many more options than just "it's him or him (or him)".
For instance, with our current squad we can readily play any two out of Gabriel, Saliba and White across central defence and have a great defensive pairing, so if Gabriel is dropped, he has many other ways to consider it than "I've been judged inferior to Saliba". Same goes for our options for a midfield trio or across the forward line, not to mention all the other options so carefully engineered into our squad.
Not so easy for Ramsdale and Raya, because an XI only has one goalkeeper on the pitch to whom different laws apply.
Anyway, Arteta implies he's going to rotate and substitute Raya and Ramsdale and it's gonna be interesting seeing how the approach works. If he rotates the two or makes substitutions "between the 60th and 85th minute" as his presser after Everton suggested, and we see an improvement in overall results, it'll be impressive stuff. Otherwise he's just signed Ramsdale's replacement, and dropping a £30m bag is not an innovation in today's football.
Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert Wonder which two matches he has those regrets for?
Remember last season it was Turner.
Not subbing Turner on for Rambo got us knocked out of the UEL.
Brighton under De Zerbi
2022-23
Robert Sanchez - 23 league appearances
Jason Steele - 15 league appearances
2023-24 so far
Jason Steele - 3 league appearances
Bart Verbruggen - 2 league appearances
Yeah, it was definitely not rotation. Sanchez was dropped completely.