Seems like we'll only go for him if we manage to get a good fee from Nottingham Forest for Turner.

I think he's on a similar level to Ramsdale? Could be the kick up the bum Ramsdale badly needs.

Ramsdale is quality in my opinion and sometimes the grass is greener ... we ask a huge amount from our keeper so performances at other clubs are not necessarily indicative.

However I'm not gonna object to this ruthless approach, at the minimum it's putting Ramsdale on notice and reminding the defenders around him everyone's picked on merit.

I think Ramsdale is a top class goalkeeper and I don't agree at all with what some on here have to say about him, but I also think this would be a very good transfer for the reasons Burns has stated.

Turner is no threat to Ramsdale, Raya would make him work hard, stay sharp, and continue to improve if he wants to keep his place.

Aaron: Thanks for Tottenham away, but it's time to say goodbye.

I think he makes too many mistakes for a top keeper. He’s had some superb performances but apart from his first 6 or so months his form has been very patchy. Too many times giving away cheap goals. I’m glad Arteta has noticed this, for a top side simply hasn’t shown he is good enough imo.

Maybe this is the kick up the arse he needs.

    On the one hand, it's nice that we seem to be interested in adding another right winger and a potential new starting goalkeeper because I think that's correct on the merits. On the other hand, it's kind of distressing that the club agrees with me on that because then why the fuck were we so eager to hand out big extensions to Ramsdale and Nelson? The probability that they simply know something that I don't know certainly decreased in my mind.

    JazzG I think he makes too many mistakes for a top keeper. He’s had some superb performances but apart from his first 6 or so months his form has been very patchy. Too many times giving away cheap goals. I’m glad Arteta has noticed this, for a top side simply hasn’t shown he is good enough imo.

    Maybe this is the kick up the arse he needs.

    To be honest, I think the most parsimonious explanation for his performance levels is that the overall variance in his performance is just what you ought to normally expect from a slightly above average starting PL keeper. He's still kinda young but it's worrying if we're really aiming for the very top.

        Wild….that’s a bold signal. Not sure I’m supportive as I think Ramsdale is solid, and a big part of our identity.

          MistaT

          I love it myself. Arteta's relentless. He wants every single player on their toes, fighting tooth and nail for their place in the team.

          At this point, it's probably only Ødegaard, who's club captain, and Saka, who's our best player, who are guaranteed starters. Maybe Saliba and Gabriel Jesus at a push, too.

              Ricky1985 Saliba and Gabriel is certainly undroppable. Arteta has never dropped them.

              Just curious that you think Ramsdale is absolutely top class and one of the best out there but feel he's not one of Arteta's guaranteed starter?

                  We need a new keeper. Ramsdale has been bad for a while now and this pre season he went a lvl bellow that to shit. But Raya is not the answer. 183 tall, no, never. Don't care how good he kicks the ball, he is a midget for keepers, no go for me

                  Clrnc
                  Raamdale has been one Arteta's guaranteed starters to this point, but if he signs Raya then he'll have a fight on his hands because Raya is very good and also well suited to the style of football we try to play.

                  I think Ramsdale is the better goalkeeper, and will go onto become one of the very best goalkeepers around as soon as next season, but having two quality, hand-picked options vying for the position is what elite clubs should do.

                  It's also a good opportunity to take advantage of with Raya only having 12 months left on his contract, and Nottingham Forest perhaps being willing to offer us decent money for Turner. I can't imagine Raya would ask for crazy money, he's a good age, could become a top class keeper, years of PL experience, and we could perhaps get him for a net £15-20m. It's a no brainer.

                  I'm sure Arteta would do the same at right wing with Saka if a similar opportunity was there.

                      He's certainly a much better shot-stopper than Ramsdale, only bettered by Leno and Alisson.

                      Emi hasn't been more than decent in the last couple of years, no reason going back for him now (even in the WC he was underwhelming other than PKs and that one huge save - there aren't that many shootouts while playing for your club).

                      Ricky1985 Brentford reportedly refused to barge from their 40m pound valuation of Raya which is why Spuds were to sign the Italian goalie after their approaches got rebuffed.

                          Meatwad and if we aren't careful our identity will be that of bottlers.

                          This likely won't mean Raya either arrives at Arsenal, or that he displaces Ramsdale. But it's a stick to instill a bit of holy fear, not just in Ramsdale, but any player who imagines last season's fade is acceptable.

                          The members of our squad receive loyalty and encouragement at the moment, we need this flip side.

                            Clrnc

                            So, maybe they drop to £30m + £5m or something - or risk losing him for free - and we get £10m-15m from Forest for Turner. Hence the £15-20m net cost of signing Raya.

                            Raya would no doubt push very hard for this to happen too (we're Arsenal, we're in the Champions League, and he worked really well with our GK coach at Brentford), which would strengthen our hand considerably compared to Tottenham - who wants to join that shit show right now?