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Expectations - 2023/2024 Season

Burnwinter

lorddulaarsenal Do the double over them I reckon we win the league.

Claudius

Burnwinter which would have been the case this season. We just needed to win the two games against them. Overall we still need to build resilience against big teams, particularly northern ones. Go and beat them in their own shit holes. That’s the next step.

invisibleman18

Coombs if trophies are overrated then what do you see as the point of it all? Appreciate you can't win then all immediately or every season and it takes time to progress to eventually getting there but ultimately the end game from here has to be to win the PL and/or CL. Else what's the point? I bet Harry Kane would trade all of his goalscoring records for a couple of cups in an instant.
As Clrnc says, my fondest memory of the last 5 years is certainly winning the FA Cup. Maybe I'm the exception rather than the rule but personally outside of the most recent season I barely remember much that happened in other non trophy winning seasons. Nothing particularly fondly anyway.

lorddulaarsenal

Being able to stop the trophy banter should be enough motivation for Kane to want to win a cup

Burnwinter

Coombs I hear and I think I agree. I've just had one season where I've been glued to our progress and we've shut Gary Neville up and scared the bejesus out of a few pundits and managers, and I think it's felt better than winning the 2014 FA Cup Final.

Don Pacifico

Burnwinter surely not 2014? The first trophy after so long in such dramatic fashion? I know I was championing progress over trophies but at the time, that felt like progress in light of the context of where we'd been (ie. not winning any trophies!).

2015 felt less of an achievement though because Villa were terrible (and we'd ended the drought already). I think I probably got more from this season.

Qwiss

Burnwinter and we've shut Gary Neville up

except we didn't and despite his prediction (United and City would be ahead of us) being wrong he's still giving it the "told you so" because we fell short. Even though thats what basically everyone, including the bookies, expected.

flobaba

My Lawd. More galaxy brains.

Coombs

flobaba it's pretty simple. Good process for a club of our size and stature will result in trophies anyway, so I'm not too worried about chasing tin pots at all costs. I watch to watch, not to win.

flobaba

"I watch to watch, not to win."

If you were a player, you would play to play, not to win.

Serious clubs want to win trophies. Serious players want to win trophies. Serious fans should want to watch their players and their clubs win trophies.

flobaba

Imagine if we had gone Invincible - 0wins, 0 losses, 38Draws.

Coombs

@flobaba be like

awooga83

Qwiss yep I had the same view. Lots of our critics at the crux of it say Arsenal can look good but they can't get the business done they will always fall short. That's why, to me at least, trophies matter. You can do these academic who looks better etc but win trophies and whatever a critic may think it doesn't matter it's irrelevant.

Don Pacifico

awooga83 no one is going to be impressed if win the FA cup though.

And that's not me hating on the FA cup as I love it but that's why I think it's a bit of a blunt metric of success.

awooga83

Don Pacifico on this point I was more responding to the idea we'd silenced Neville and other critics this season. That if we don't deliver one of those types of trophies you haven't really.

For the fa cup and league cup is more about us becoming a winning side so short term I think we need to win stuff to begin to build that culture. Great if it's the league and champions League otherwise take what we can short term. But over 3-4 years we do need to add a league or CL.

flobaba

That's not true -The premiership is not the only prestigious local competition. The FA Cup is still a hugely significant trophy in England. It's not the Carabao Cup* (*while second rate, the CC is getting an increasingly raised profile as more "big clubs" win it, all it needs is a bit more remodeling and repackaging).

Don Pacifico

I don't see how Gary Neville and co are going to think we're no longer bottlers (in reference to the discourse above) if we win the FA cup.

Again, this isn't meant to be a devaluing of the cup but plenty of ordinary teams have won it over the last couple of decades, who are no longer even in the premier league. Therefore for me, in our current status, it doesn't represent progress.

naz

We drew 1-1 against Watford. Season is over, sack them all. Havertz is a flop, Arteta is back to sucking and we miss Xhaka already.

Tsk tsk 😜

Big Willie

naz We drew 1-1 against Watford. Season is over, sack them all. Havertz is a flop, Arteta is back to sucking and we miss Xhaka already.

Tsk tsk 😜

Didn't even realise we played. Even Arse.com didn't mention an upcoming game aside from thr game on the 13th. Just a random post match report. Guess it just wasn't streamed anywhere maybe, as I can't see any other reason they wouldn't have it on the main site as the next game.

goon

Trophies vs experience argument feels a bit false to me. The experience and journey last season was great because we had the possibility of winning. We don’t go mad in the Bournemouth game if we were in 8th. The title challenge is what made that moment:

On the other hand losing didn’t ruin the journey, it was still one of my favourite seasons in terms of emotions and connection with the team. You can enjoy the experience without it depending on the outcome.

The two go hand in hand.

awooga83

goon I think if you are always second that can create a negative impact though. Just the experience of being used to playing finals and getting results I think does make a difference to the culture of teams.

I agree it doesn't make it a bad season but that Bournemouth moment does mean less. It felt amazing because at the time it felt like this could directly contribute to a title. Now there is less to that so it won't have the same impact for me.

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