Kai Havertz: Page 8 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

Kai Havertz

QuincyAbeyie

Coombs you can win the CL with every player who was at Chelsea that season.

flobaba

You can score the winning goal in the CL final with Havertz...

DiabyKungFu

You can win a treble with Sergio Gomez.

Mirth

Clrnc I'm surprised too. Havertz isn't on my wish list and I won't lose any sleep if we don't sign him but I thought the general consensus is that he's a talented player that's been fucked over by Chelsea. Similar to Salah and KdB.

KingslandBarge

Mirth feels like you answered a couple reasons why fans may not be chuffed or happy with the signing in your follow up post: Mirth . Use of funds, uncertainty on position, starting or bench role, debate about his development and consistency in performance over 3 seasons.
lorddulaarsenal Havertz is industrious for sure; he's built that up chasing his first touch over the years.

I'm fine to continue observing how this plays out, and reluctant to prematurely shoot the pursuit down. Not excited to hear rumour we were after Mount. Definitely prefer the Havertz idea over that one (assuming we're looking to bring him in for primary feature at 8)

awooga83

I think the thing I don't get is how can you be so confident the only reason he hasn't performed is Chelsea. It's like everyone seems to say 3 years ago he looked like a great talent. But 3 years actually playing football becomes no you have so strike that from the record it doesn't count.

Even if you don't go down that route 3 years of looking very poor is a pretty bad statement, you have to factor there is at least a 50% chance he's not going to do it based on what he's actually shown measured against potential 3 years ago. Then add the value being talked about I just don't see why we are focusing those funds on him at the moment.

Mirth

awooga83 I think the thing I don't get is how can you be so confident the only reason he hasn't performed is Chelsea. It's like everyone seems to say 3 years ago he looked like a great talent. But 3 years actually playing football becomes no you have so strike that from the record it doesn't count.

I'm not saying that. It's possible that he just isn't good enough but Chelsea, in particular, have a record of ruining anyone who plays their number 9. Particularly since he's unlikely to play in that role for us - by all means, use it as a yard stick but it's not any more definitive than any other reference point.

I'm with you on the allocation of funds but to put it another way if he did recapture he's Leverkusen form then he would certainly be worth £50m.

The harder question for me is where he'd play - I see him more as a classic number 10 but we don't play like that and I'm not convinced he can take up Xhaka's role without us changing the fundamental structure of the team.

Coombs

This "3 years" narrative is not real, though. We spend a lot of energy talking shit on our rivals, but that's not necessarily representative.

I also doubt we'd play him as a CF, but I could be wrong. He's probably wasted there, might be better in deeper positions, could see him owning the Xhaka lane straight up and down the pitch.

One thing I'm pretty unsure about is his stamina. Can tractor up and down the pitch all day?

Edit: watching more, he's really all about understanding space, very intelligent in that way and he could thrive in Arteta's positional play.

Clrnc

He wasn't shit for 3 years come on. 3 years of being inconsistent and flakey yes but not an absolute flop. In fact in his first year he was probably one of their best players.

Anyway our first bid turned down. 55m.

Probably will get it done for 60m

awooga83

Clrnc he may not have been shit as you describe but what did he do that says you have to spend 60m. What's his best position based on what you've actually seen, not hope

Rohit

In his first season, one could make out why Chelsea shelled out on him. He is definitely not a center forward though where he has been deployed for the majority of the last 2 seasons. If anything a big reason for Chelsea's travails were not playing with a proper front man. I just hope we aren't bringing him here too rotate with Jesus. He is a creative player, he can be an Odegaard alternative or wide or alongside Odegaard but shouldn't be played up front.

lorddulaarsenal

Arteta will see him as a combination player in the area Xhaka operated last season.

Lush signing

Clrnc

awooga83 50-60m is pretty much standard for top potential attacker below 25 years old. Nothing unusual.

lorddulaarsenal Probably the only player in the world as good as finding space as Tom Muller. Imagine Jesus and Martinelli occupying defenders and then bringing Havertz into play when he runs in late to finish

Mirth

awooga83
What's your valuation based on then? There's now quite a few transfers that are bandied about in the £100m price bracket so if you're comparing it to historic amounts for players then 60m seems a lot but this summer 60m will not be seen as particularly unusual.

Case in point:

mohan

Clrnc how are his stats around goals and xg?

banduan

Would be a decent signing, more competition for Jesus and more flexibility. Hope he's our only forward signing then though cos everything we need to fix is in CM and the back.

Irishgunner

Big surprise this - don't think I really want him tbh given how much he will cost. Clearly hasn't lived up to expectations.

I guess Arteta sees him as an 8 - he hasn't impressed as a centre forward

Clrnc

Chelsea targeting Gabriel Veiga to replace Havertz

Kel Varnsen

Wasn't he compared to van Persie? A ridiculous comparison. Van Persie was one of the most technically gifted players in the world. Havertz looks a bit clumsy.

RowJimmy

Kel Varnsen Wasn't he compared to van Persie?

By Thierry Henry

Gurgen

Havertz is not clumsy, come on

Gazza M

Gurgen technically he's no RVP though, come on

Clrnc

Gazza M yeah but technically he's brilliant. Absolute baller. Just look up his YouTube vids. Some of his passes are outrageous

Ngl though I would prefer Simons

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