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Kai Havertz

awooga83

goon but the problem I have he's not been an exciting player in his 3 years at Chelsea. He's been average and hasn't done enough. It seems like a lot of hope for something that will cost us a fee and wages that are high. You can look at potential but you can't just dismiss the last 3 seasons no matter how good he looked 3 years ago.

Caicedo may not be excitng but we are a team that conceded too many goals, way too many. We need that midfield reinforcing that's where are weakness as been. And adding an attacker who doesn't really score I don't find that excitng myself.

QuincyAbeyie

KingslandBarge Could very well be, but Sky Italy is almost as houseboat as it gets, if things haven't changed in recent years.

lorddulaarsenal

Deal is close by all accounts. I’m excited by this one. He’s a real handful for defenders

Doc

Sounds like they are desperate and we might be getting a bargain.

lorddulaarsenal

Welcome to Arsenal Football Club Cobra Kai

Qwiss

goon the thing is once Wenger flooded the team with 10s we stopped being competitive. When we had 2 big physical athletic mids with a magician in front of them we were unstoppable.

Plus I just don't rate Havertz at all. I've watched him loads in the last 3 seasons and he's only looked good very, very occasionally. Most of the time he's poor.

Daz

Qwiss the thing is once Wenger flooded the team with 10s we stopped being competitive.

Exactly. Goon, you're speaking as if this was a successful strategy to squad building when it clearly wasn't

Gazza M

where does he play? genuinely asking, because I can't see a starting berth for him, unless partey is deeper in the mud than I suspect

lorddulaarsenal

Xhaka role

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

lorddulaarsenal but is he gonna be responsible and plug holes defensively e.g. when Zinchenko is suddenly dancing around in right attacking midfield?

Gazza M

lorddulaarsenal that solves that then 😆

lorddulaarsenal

Daz remember Wengz being tempted to go 4-1-4-1 but not having the balls to go with it for an extended spell.

That said one of the best matches I saw us play had Cesc, Rosicky, Hleb and the name escapes me ahead of Flamini

lorddulaarsenal

He is very capable defensively. Rangey strides. Anyways we’ll gain more in attack than what we’ll lose defensively with him replacing Xhaka.

Timed runs from deep getting on the end of crosses. Is able to create space for shots in the box and can strike from distance.

Our attack was powderpuff at times in the run in, due to Saka being jaded and Jesus not recapturing his pre injury form. We could have done with Havertz presence and threat.

Also if Odegaard is out there’s nobody in the squad good enough to replace him without us having a big drop off in performance. Havertz sorts that issue.

Qwiss

lorddulaarsenal this is more of a fantasy than you'd read in the Penthouse letters page

Tam

lorddulaarsenal You can only bolster attack at the expense of defence so much before the compromise upends the whole structure of the team and effectiveness of the defence. Zinchenko is another that is said for.

I'd rather have a solid and reliable defensive structure that we know is robust, than be at the mercy of the form and fitness of individuals. The more compromises and tweaks you make to accommodate the likes of Zinchenko and Havertz, the greater the pressure it puts on those around them having to cover their shortfalls. Having Saliba and Gabriel is great, but it does them and the team no justice if we're overly reliant on them as individuals instead of giving them a balanced environment to operate in. And it's worse again for their understudies, who we'll definitely need in the upcoming season, and who aren't up to their standards.

KingslandBarge

Mirth feels like you answered a couple reasons why fans may not be chuffed or happy with the signing in your follow up post: Mirth . Use of funds, uncertainty on position, starting or bench role, debate about his development and consistency in performance over 3 seasons.
lorddulaarsenal Havertz is industrious for sure; he's built that up chasing his first touch over the years.

I'm fine to continue observing how this plays out, and reluctant to prematurely shoot the pursuit down. Not excited to hear rumour we were after Mount. Definitely prefer the Havertz idea over that one (assuming we're looking to bring him in for primary feature at 8)

naz

Can't we get mount for the same price, I think he's better but I might be biased based on the last two years. Havertz was the best talent coming through 3 years ago before he joined Chelsea. Maybe we can reignite that talent?

HomeSteak

naz They want 70 mil for Mount, who has 1 year left ! And he wants to go to United. Not that I want him either, he is not good enough as well.

Clrnc

naz There you go. Mount didn't want to join us.

lorddulaarsenal

The talent is there to be truly unlocked

JazzG

RocktheCasbah

I think if Edu and Mikel think there's a player in there who can help us, they're probably right. He is a massive talent at a good age, he's versatile and he gives us options across the attack. I get the scepticism, and I'm not especially keen on giving Chelsea money, but this is just a different version of what we have done in the past with Madrid and Barca - with the added bonus of getting a PL acclimatised player. Different physical profile to most of our attacking players too.

Not going to cry if we don't get him, but nor do I think we should be crying if we do. Give him a chance, anyway.

JazzG

If there is anyone who can get the best out of him it is Arteta. Look at Xhaka, this time last year everyone would have been happy to see the back of him. A year later and he's been one of the best CMs in the league and finishes the season with 17 G/A.

He won't get every decision right but I have complete faith in Arteta's judgement of a player. If he sees something in Kai and the deal can be done then we should 100% backing him.

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