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Summer 23 winda

Mirth

How's he been on loan? Being part of a midfield that gets relegated from the Championship can't help

RocktheCasbah

Mirth I don't know tbh, but looking at the names Arsenal are being linked with for the summer, and the need to improve our midfield, a pathway to the first team looks difficult for him.

KingslandBarge

Clrnc we bought Pépé for the immediate term but Saka not only became undroppable, he seized the RW spot. I think it will always be difficult at Arsenal, but possible. I am also surprised we're mulling 23/24 minutes at Arsenal for Patino. It would be about providing a quality season long loan. Something I prefer way more than resting on a buy back clause, which I have yet to see us exercise for a sold player turned star. Even if he stayed, I'd rather have him starting midfield for all cup competitions Sept-Dec than Xhaka.

Mirth Would be harsh I think to associate his spell with the club's demotion. He's had a good season and he's been productive. Can't blame him for wanting a sustained run out with a better base quality team now that he's gotten a taste.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

RocktheCasbah doesn't look that impressive anywho.

Burnwinter

It could be a similar story for Smith Rowe though I don't see him leaving this summer. And certainly a similar story again for Vieira.

The problem the youngsters face is that there's evidently a plan to bring in at least one starting midfielder but as yet, no publicly indicated intent to move Xhaka and Partey on if their successors are signed. Going to be slim pickings for some players unless bodies are moved on.

Clrnc

I think most of our hale end academy grads will find it difficult to break through as we are now very cash rich and chasing immediate success. How do you expect Patino to stay when we are signing 2 new CMs?

Nothing wrong with letting them leave and having a buy back clause.

goon

Clrnc

Doesn't seem to stop Chelsea who were far worse though. Had about 70 players and some of them had been on loan for half a decade while they signed a new player for their position each year.

Maybe we're not as good at lying to these kids.

Burnwinter

Right, it's pretty normal. We're heading into a season where we'll want to compete at an elite level on every front and a player like Patino will only ever play a few minutes of Carabao Cup at that rate.

Clrnc

Burnwinter Don't think we will play a single minute tbh. For one Arteta don't normally rotate, secondly he rotates to half fringe side but hardly ever give a young player his first start here.

And then if our midfield is Partey Caicedo Rice Xhaka Vieira Odegaard Jorginho Where's the little minute even going to come from? The fringe team will be Jorginho Xhaka Vieira

Burnwinter

Why do people actually think we're going to pick up both Caicedo and Rice? I mean perhaps we just talk like that for argument's sake.

I'd be pleased and slightly surprised if we got either at this stage.

Clrnc The fringe team will be Jorginho Xhaka Vieira

Sell, Sell, Sell meme GIF

Clrnc

Burnwinter Might not be those 2 but I am confident we are targeting 2 CMs

Mirth

Agree - we need 2 CMs. Maybe we won't make 2 big name signings in the same position but our midfield has been weak for years and it's certainly not equipped for competing in the CL and Premier league at this point in time.

Burnwinter

Oh, we could definitely use both Rice and Caicedo it's just the £180m price tag for the combination—from selling clubs who aren't going to fuck around—that makes me think it won't happen.

As you said the other day @Clrnc it would've been smart to go for Danilo in the winter after all. Wonder why we cooled on him.

lorddulaarsenal

Burnwinter talk was that the January move for Caicedo was to provide immediate depth this season and that Rice would be the summer target

Mirth

IIRC the Danilo talks seemed to be fairly advanced but we were being asked to be £40m-£50m whereas Nottingham Forest got him for 50%.

Clrnc

Mirth Yeah those were always going to be nonsense talk. The Brazilian league record transfers are pretty low like I mentioned few windows ago he was always going to move for 20m or so. Palmeiras cannot afford to reject a good fee, I remember people speculating we couldn't get him because they were in the finals but turns out we just weren't interested for some reason.

Clrnc

KingslandBarge we bought Pépé for the immediate term but Saka not only became undroppable, he seized the RW spot.

Wasn't bought by Arteta. He can't wait to sell him tbf so not a valid comparison. And Saka was pretty established as a huge talent by Emery back then already.

Qwiss

Clrnc sure but we had Willian as our starting right mid ahead of Pepe for half a season. Nothing much to do with Saka at that point as he was still on the left.

lorddulaarsenal

How would you guys feel about a summer which comprises

Rice
Fresneda
Vlahovic or Toney
NDicka

Coombs

lorddulaarsenal see Fresneda as a bit of a throwaway signing, but I'd be pretty pleased. Think it's one CM short.

Cannon

lorddulaarsenal

No clue on NDicka. Rest seems a decent effort. Also not sure about Toney. I could be wrong but he does not seem Arsenal level to me.

samthegooner

lorddulaarsenal I like it with the exception of N'Dicka. I'd rather bring in a right footed CB to back up Saliba than another left footed CB, unless we think Kiwior ultimately ends up at LB to backup Zinchenko. I don't think N'Dicka could play the Ake role personally and just haven't been too impressed with him overall.

Burnwinter

Seems good to me because it's focused on our actual deficiencies on the pitch.

But we'll need a left back, because Tierney should move on to the right kind of venue for his talent and commitment.

lorddulaarsenal

Burnwinter I recon Ndicka could be used as a left back - in the same sort of way City use Ake

RocktheCasbah

Cannon My mate Gabs has a season ticket for the Bees and, recently, we were chatting about possible destinations for Toney were he to leave the Bees. He couldn't see Toney getting into the starting line up at any of the top 6 PL clubs (and much as I laugh at Gabs, he does know a bit about football - he predicted we'd come 2nd before the season began, which even I thought was a streeeeetch). I said, what about Manchester United? They're a possibility, we think, but as for us I can't see it. Especially for the money it would take for Bentford to let him go - he'd have to be a first team starter and, as well as he played against us in February, I don't think he fits our style of play.

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